I agree, if I was oc, we would more than likely be 5-0, ranked probably 3rd...and heading directly to destroy bama, or georgia. but thats not frost's fault, the top brass at NU hired frost to be pass happy. and to forsake NU's bread and butter, the power I / option. fret not, time will change this.
He's got a point. Nobody loses close games like Scott Frost. And I mean nobody. I don't think Bo or Callahan can hold a candle to him in this regard. He is in fact a world class loser. Nebraska is lucky to have him.
In my opinion, he never would have been fired if his sideline tantrums didn't create national attention. I kind of liked Bo.
You act like the chancellor and the AD were out to get Bo and that's the reason he failed. Bo failed because he couldn't control his temper and walked around like everyone was out to get him. Had he kept himself in check and recruited better he'd still be here today more than likely. It's all on him!
He hired the rest of them too. He's responsible for all of them. If one mid-manager is performing exceptionally well and has the chops for the top job, and all other departments are crap over a period of years, you don't pat upper management on the back for getting one right. You fire upper management and promote the one he got right. Dan Hawkins wasn't a great coach because he hired Chris Peterson. Tommy Bowden wasn't great because he hired Dabo Swinney.
Besides being a psycho and his teams played Bi-Polar just like him…Bo didn’t when any games that mattered. That is why he’s not here. Just like Solich, Callahan, and Riley. They all had their chance but didn’t get it done. The same thing will happen to Frost if he doesn’t get it done.
That's another facet of "Frost is not getting it done." The 81st-ranked recruiting class is not meeting the minimum job requirements for a Power Five football coach.
He's the anti-Bo in that regard. No one won a higher percentage of their close games than Bo. Nobody left Bo's losses thinking we were close.
Looking at recruiting ranking before signing day is over is kinda dumb
Agree. It’s called baby steps.
really solich, callahan, bo, riley, frost, are basic simpleton jr's compared to the dr. tom
That's a complete lie. Bo's players ended up being way better than most of Frost's players. He recruited Burkhead, Abdullah, David, Gregory, Dennard, Collins, Valentine, Davis twins, Gerry, Bell, Westercamp, Reilly, Carter, Sirles, Gates, TMagic, and Armstrong. I'm sure I'm missing others. Nearly all of these guys are better than any recruit Riley or Frost ever produced. It's a complete myth Pelini was some terrible recruiter. He recruited a hell of a lot better than Riley or Frost ever did.
Bo > Scott any day of the week.
I thought 2 things that TA said in his radio interview were very telling, and tacitly TA is speaking what we all know.
refrain from bo's pole
3-4 spots left. Only guys we would maybe take are an OL and a CB. We need to save several spots for transfers. That's the game now. This is an extremely small class due to how young our roster is. You can complain if you want about there only being 3 star guys in this class but with the lack of camps and evaluations of guys last year due to COVID, it's tough to say how accurate some of the star rankings are on a lot of recruits this year.
An AD is never going to say for sure where he's at with a coach. There's no doubt that a collapse like Riley had where we lost out could doom Frost. That said, I don't think this team will do that. Defense is too good and has too much pride to let the rest of the team do that.
I was against hiring frost, I think he needed more time as hc. but in life things don't always work the way we wish.
Yeah the defense collapsed but man he left a ton of talent. For God's sake he left him 2 NFL starting DTs in addition to those DBs. Add in Joey Ganz as a returning starting QB and you had a pretty good starting point for Bo. He left him some pretty good RBs too. What Callahan didn't leave him was much depth just due to his roster philosophy.
Well we're not going to go much higher with how tiny this class is going to be. You do understand that recruiting ranking is HIGHLY affected by class size right? We've only got room for about HALF as many new guys as most teams do this year due to the how young our roster is. Then you add in wanting to leave a few spots for portal guys. This will be an extremely small class. So it's really tough to judge a class by the numerical ranking of a recruiting service. A better way might be to look at the average star ranking including the numerical value assigned each recruit. The bottom line though is that the best way to evaluate recruits is after they've completed their eligibility. It's obvious that Frost's first class other than maybe Adrian was a bust. His next 2 classes look like they were pretty damned good. This one is going to be really small.
And maybe a head coach and OC that brings in actual QB talent who doesn’t run off existing talent while he’s at it.
Not much has changed in Frost’s first four years. Defense has gotten better, special teams worse. Offense is about the same.
Everyone was saying we had no talent after that 2007 season. Noone would have predicted Suh or any of those other guys would breakout like they did. Pelini's staff did a phenomenal job of coaching, especially on the defensive side of the ball those first few years that allowed those guys to develop into really good players. We were blown out by several bad teams in that 2007 season, so to say what Pelini was taking over was any easier is a myth.
Why do you keep dismissing all of the close losses? Nebraska should be 5-0 and ranked number 3 in the country. All they have to do is stop making the same bonehead mistakes they've been making for the past 3+ years. It's not like that's going to continue for another 3+ years, especially with a bunch of different players who might be less mistake-prone than the current bunch.. If all of that bad luck continues for another 3 years then maybe they should consider a coaching change. Or an exorcism. Probably the latter. It's certainly not Frost's fault that they keep beating themselves and he said as much in his last interview.
Exactly! I remember everyone saying that Klownahans recruiting were overrated and that his home boy Tom Lugenbill purposely inflated player ranking when he was at ESPN or wherever he was just to help Klownahan!
Pelini actually developed that talent. Nobody thought we had much talent after that 2007 season. Also Crick and Steinkuhler were native Nebraskans, they're pretty much coming here no matter who the coach is. None of those DB's ever did anything under Cosgrove's defense. A lot of those guys had pretty average talent according to the recruiting rankings. Pelini's defense and Sanders technique turned them into studs. Btw Sanders is one of the best position coaches we've ever had, it's amazing what he did with that secondary group in 2009 and 2010.
He did ok in recruiting and had a good push early due to success, but a lot of those guys turned out to be diamonds in the rough. It's good he had an eye for them, but go look at Pelini's entire classes. There was some rough classes.
| Kieron Williams | DB | Colorado Springs, CO | 6'0" | 195 | 0 | 5/31/14 SIGNED | |
AJ Bush | QB | Norcross, GA | 6'4" | 214 | 5.4 | 2/3/14 SIGNED | |
Deandre Wills | DE | Lineville, AL | 6'3" | 250 | 5.4 | 2/3/14 SIGNED | |
Sedrick King | DE | Plant City, FL | 6'4" | 230 | 5.5 | 1/28/14 SIGNED | |
Glenn Irons | WR | New Orleans, LA | 5'10" | 170 | 5.3 | 1/26/14 SIGNED | |
Mikale Wilbon | RB | Chicago, IL | 5'8" | 191 | 5.8 | 1/26/14 SIGNED | |
Nick Gates | OL | Las Vegas, NV | 6'4" | 272 | 5.8 | 1/25/14 SIGNED | |
Chris Jones | DB | Jacksonville, FL | 6'0" | 175 | 5.5 | 1/21/14 SIGNED | |
Jariah Tolbert | WR | New Orleans, LA | 6'3" | 185 | 5.4 | 1/10/14 SIGNED | |
Joe Keels | DE | Highland, KS | 6'4" | 280 | 5.7 | 12/11/13 SIGNED | |
Byerson Cockrell | DB | Scooba, MS | 6'2" | 185 | 5.4 | 12/7/13 SIGNED | |
Jaevon Walton | ATH | New Orleans, LA | 6'0" | 236 | 5.6 | 11/17/13 SIGNED | |
Joshua Kalu | DB | Houston, TX | 6'1" | 169 | 5.5 | 10/15/13 SIGNED | |
Peyton Newell | DE | Hiawatha, KS | 6'3" | 285 | 5.7 | 8/31/13 SIGNED | |
Larenzo Stewart | RB | Klein, TX | 5'6" | 165 | 5.5 | 7/6/13 SIGNED | |
Monte Harrison | WR | Lee's Summit, MO | 6'3" | 200 | 5.8 | 7/5/13 SIGNED | |
Freedom Akinmoladun | TE | Grandview, MO | 6'4" | 240 | 5.6 | 7/5/13 SIGNED | |
Demornay Pierson-El | WR | Alexandria, VA | 5'9" | 174 | 5.6 | 6/16/13 SIGNED | |
D.J. Foster | OL | Lincoln, NE | 6'3" | 312 | 5.7 | 6/16/13 SIGNED | |
Mick Stoltenberg | OL | Gretna, NE | 6'5" | 250 | 5.6 | 6/15/13 SIGNED | |
Zack Darlington | QB | Apopka, FL | 6'1" | 210 | 5.5 | 6/15/13 SIGNED | |
Trai Mosley | DB | Pflugerville, TX | 5'10" | 171 | 5.5 | 6/15/13 SIGNED | |
Tanner Farmer | OL | Highland, IL | 6'4" | 315 | 5.9 | 6/12/13 SIGNED | |
Drew Brown | K | Southlake, TX | 5'10" | 170 | 5.4 | 6/8/13 SIGNED | |
Luke Gifford | ATH | Lincoln, NE | 6'3" | 198 | 5.6 | 3/11/13 |
| Tre'vell Dixon | ATH | Baldwin, LA | 6'1" | 195 | 5.7 | 2/7/13 SIGNED | |
Dwayne Johnson | OL | Houston, TX | 6'6" | 275 | 5.5 | 2/5/13 SIGNED | |
Dimarya Mixon | DE | Mesquite, TX | 6'4" | 250 | 5.7 | 2/4/13 SIGNED | |
Chongo Kondolo | OL | Fresno, CA | 6'4" | 290 | 5.5 | 2/2/13 SIGNED | |
Drake Martinez | ATH | Laguna Beach, CA | 6'2" | 200 | 5.5 | 1/30/13 SIGNED | |
Boaz Joseph | DB | Weston, FL | 6'1" | 190 | 5.6 | 1/24/13 SIGNED | |
Matt Finnin | OL | Glen Ellyn, IL | 6'6" | 305 | 5.7 | 1/21/13 SIGNED | |
Cethan Carter | TE | Metairie, LA | 6'4" | 230 | 5.6 | 1/18/13 SIGNED | |
Ernest Suttles | DE | Tampa, FL | 6'5" | 240 | 5.5 | 1/15/13 SIGNED | |
Terrell Newby | RB | West Hills, CA | 5'10" | 180 | 6 | 1/10/13 SIGNED | |
Maliek Collins | DT | Kansas City, MO | 6'2" | 285 | 5.7 | 1/7/13 SIGNED | |
Kevin Maurice | DT | Orlando, FL | 6'3" | 270 | 5.7 | 1/5/13 SIGNED | |
David Knevel | OL | Brantford, ON | 6'8" | 290 | 5.7 | 12/18/12 SIGNED | |
Adam Taylor | RB | Katy, TX | 6'1" | 210 | 5.8 | 11/18/12 SIGNED | |
Randy Gregory | DE | Yuma, AZ | 6'6" | 230 | 5.8 | 11/2/12 SIGNED | |
Zach Hannon | OL | Kansas City, MO | 6'5" | 295 | 5.7 | 8/9/12 SIGNED | |
Johnny Stanton | QB | Rancho Santa Margarita, CA | 6'2" | 220 | 5.7 | 7/10/12 SIGNED | |
Marcus Newby | LB | North Potomac, MD | 6'1" | 210 | 5.8 | 7/2/12 SIGNED | |
Nathan Gerry | ATH | Sioux Falls, SD | 6'2" | 206 | 5.7 | 6/17/12 SIGNED | |
Gabriel Miller | OL | Mishawaka, IN | 6'0" | 235 | 5.2 | 6/17/12 SIGNED | |
Kevin Gladney | WR | Akron, OH | 6'1" | 182 | 5.7 | 6/12/12 SIGNED | |
Greg Hart | TE | Dayton, OH | 6'5" | 225 | 5.6 | 5/17/12 SIGNED | |
Courtney Love | LB | Youngstown, OH | 6'1" | 225 | 5.7 | 4/23/12 SIGNED | |
A.J. Natter | DE | Milton, WI | 6'6" | 240 | 5.7 | 4/17/12 SIGNED | |
Josh Banderas | LB | Lincoln, NE | 6'2" | 220 | 5.8 | 4/13/12 |
Having 7 decent to good players isn't near as bad as some of the classes we've seen from Riley and Frost. Also Pelini didn't get the chance to coach these guys and who knows how they would have developed compared to Riley's staff. I'm thinking at least the Olineman would have developed a heck of a lot better.
Gregory should have been a first round draft pick. Gerry and Collins were NFL players. That's a heck of a lot better than any class Riley or Frost has put together so far.
