It's pretty hard to imagine that in this country, those are our only 3 choices isn't it? #yikes
For those of you who think this is like the flu
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It's pretty hard to imagine that in this country, those are our only 3 choices isn't it? #yikes
Economy will have everything to do with it. The recession is going to continue well after we've finished sheltering in place. Auto sales are already falling off a cliff. Tons of restaurants are going to close entirely and not re-open.
I can't imagine what it's doing to a place like Hawaii where the economy is so centered on tourism and the cost of living is so high.
Trucking was already in a recession, this will continue that. Look for railroads to follow suit. They can't all haul N95s and grocery deliveries.
I'm loosely attached to funeral service and our members are getting COVID cases in. They can't get hold of masks and other PPE to do removals, they can't hold funerals due to bans on gatherings over 10. There will be an economic impact there, you can't charge full price for less than full service.
Afterward they'll have cash-strapped families who can't afford nicer funerals. All this will only accelerate the trend toward more cremations and fewer memorials and services.
The admin will scream "recovery, recovery, look at the stocks go up" but whether that will resonate with people who are worse off than before this hit will remain to be seen.
I can't imagine what it's doing to a place like Hawaii where the economy is so centered on tourism and the cost of living is so high.
Trucking was already in a recession, this will continue that. Look for railroads to follow suit. They can't all haul N95s and grocery deliveries.
I'm loosely attached to funeral service and our members are getting COVID cases in. They can't get hold of masks and other PPE to do removals, they can't hold funerals due to bans on gatherings over 10. There will be an economic impact there, you can't charge full price for less than full service.
Afterward they'll have cash-strapped families who can't afford nicer funerals. All this will only accelerate the trend toward more cremations and fewer memorials and services.
The admin will scream "recovery, recovery, look at the stocks go up" but whether that will resonate with people who are worse off than before this hit will remain to be seen.
Didn't read all the posts in this thread so this may be repeat.
This is what I have been told and through our administration at schools.
Young people can have the virus and not even know it. Seems like a small cold, symptoms can last only a few hours and they then feel fine. Even some "older" people can have mild symptoms.
It is the perfect storm in that young people, who mix with each other a lot, are huge carriers and the sick and old are the weakest and react worse to this virus. Who could design a better way to thin the herd.
What we do know is early on the treatment for the virus was not correct and actually made it worse. Drs. are saying that ibuprofen or any anti-inflammatory can actually make the virus worse and promotes pneumonia.
Given all of the quickly changing information, it is clear the medical community did not always treat the virus correctly which added to the problem.
Think this through. How will this ever really end? What would keep a terrorist country from sending infected people back into our country once the initial scare is over? Nothing
IMHO we are just attempting to stall and slow this down until a vaccine is ready and then it will need to be used world wide or made mandatory for anyone coming into our country. The virus will always be alive and well somewhere. I can see some crazy countries keeping the virus going through an unwanted population for several reasons.
We live in a sick world people.
This is what I have been told and through our administration at schools.
Young people can have the virus and not even know it. Seems like a small cold, symptoms can last only a few hours and they then feel fine. Even some "older" people can have mild symptoms.
It is the perfect storm in that young people, who mix with each other a lot, are huge carriers and the sick and old are the weakest and react worse to this virus. Who could design a better way to thin the herd.
What we do know is early on the treatment for the virus was not correct and actually made it worse. Drs. are saying that ibuprofen or any anti-inflammatory can actually make the virus worse and promotes pneumonia.
Given all of the quickly changing information, it is clear the medical community did not always treat the virus correctly which added to the problem.
Think this through. How will this ever really end? What would keep a terrorist country from sending infected people back into our country once the initial scare is over? Nothing
IMHO we are just attempting to stall and slow this down until a vaccine is ready and then it will need to be used world wide or made mandatory for anyone coming into our country. The virus will always be alive and well somewhere. I can see some crazy countries keeping the virus going through an unwanted population for several reasons.
We live in a sick world people.
So said many people about the advantage of Trump beating Hillary Clinton. Politics are an interesting world and not long for people who make predictions
So until FOX tells you otherwise? Also define actually hurts people?
I don’t see enough people in this country voting ( wanting for) someone that has so many socialist idea’s
that would even destroy this country even more then what’s happing with the Corona virus.
https://nebraska.forums.rivals.com/...is-is-like-the-flu.264757/page-3#post-5888778
How about this that I posted on the previous page these are objective - There are really only two ways to look at the illness rate of infection and mortality rate. Now there is also the economic side but its really early to say what the net of that will be. However there are a lot of sick people around the world right now and tons of stats on each country
How about this that I posted on the previous page these are objective - There are really only two ways to look at the illness rate of infection and mortality rate. Now there is also the economic side but its really early to say what the net of that will be. However there are a lot of sick people around the world right now and tons of stats on each country
The problem with those numbers is we have done so little testing relative to our population that we have no way of knowing how many people are infected. Our numbers look lower because our percentage of people tested/total population is lower than many of those countries so those numbers, while possibly accurate, prove next to nothing.
Like cash handouts to citizens and businesses? Most Socialist thing I’ve ever seen, but that’s probably different, right?
As of today we have tested over 500,000 more than any other country not sure where that puts us as a tested/population total but its not nothing
3 weeks after the first H1N1 death in the US, 6 people were dead. 3 weeks after the first COVID-19 death in the US, 400+ dead. And only 5 or so days after that, the numbers have now tripled to 1,300We'll eclipse H1N1 numbers by May at the latest at this rate. Except we've actually done something about it this time with social distancing/quarantining so maybe not
So the months of inaction by then President Obama led to 12,464 deaths? Where is the hysteria over that? Where is the hand wringing over his burying his head in the sand?
If Obama or Clinton had handled this thing like Trump did, they would be getting praised by the media for how they stepped up. If you don't think the public outrage is at least fueled by a left wing media, you are living in a fantasy land.
The difference, and it's a big difference, is that one is an emergency situation response that has defined boundaries and the other is a function of it's nature and can expand under normal operation and doesn't rrally require an emergency to justify the action.
Money is not direct power but it is pretty close. You elect a Teddy bear who changes everything over to a socialist system and its only an election away from getting the possessed My Buddy. Only with the power of centralised control.
I would rather have 1000 princes busy warring one another than one room of 10 kings discussing the tiny details of their boundaries of control over you and me.
Not surprised there is a baseless claim with no evidence presented as a fact. This is not true and as of yesterday we had tested about 600,000 while much smaller nations Italy and South Korea had tested between 300,000 and 400,000. Per capita we’re testing less than .2% of the population while countries like South Korea and Italy had tested over .6% and .7% respectively. We do not have a grasp on how wide this has spread. For example Nebraska, a state with a population of nearly 2 million people, has the capacity to test 1,000 people a day. At this rate it would take us over 5 years to test the entire state. Those stats make us look better because we are worse at testing.
I like the majority of your posts on things regarding the Huskers, but I need to disagree with you on this topic.
Wanting to see retroactive blame on Obama for H1N1 deaths is like saying that you're excusing Trump for not doing his homework because Obama didn't do his.
Also, as I have stated, the regular flu doesn't do to NYC what C-19 is doing there right now....and neither did H1N1.
We also now have a president that is telling the media that he wouldn't talk to certain governors unless they showed more appreciation. I feel pretty certain that no other president in my lifetime from either party would behave in that manner when faced with this kind of situation. I feel pretty certain that no other president in my lifetime would call a governor of a state a snake during a presser at the CDC. I feel pretty certain that no other president in my lifetime would, when asked what he'd like to say to people that are scared, say "I'd tell them that you're a terrible reporter". I feel pretty certain that no other president in my lifetime would go on Hannity and publicly state that he doubts the situation in NYC is as dire as it is, or will be as bad as being predicted.
What does Trump see from DC with regards to NYC that people in NYC aren't seeing?
BTW--Clinton was skewered by the media and late night TV for his behavior.
Lastly---This is going to surpass 12,000 deaths in the US.
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The cash handout is not Socialist. It's just monetary policy. You increase the money supply by means other than lowering interest rates. It's a means of stimulating spending. 99% of people who get that windfall are going to spend it. That helps the economy and with interest rates at low levels there's only so much borrowing that will take place to increase the money supply and boost the economy. When the fed has already lowered the interest rate to zero the only other means to stimulate the economy is to hand out money whether that is by tax cuts or stimulus checks. Basically this was a retroactive tax cut or credit to the lower class. I'm not going to get a check and am a diehard fiscal conservative, but am all for it. It's a bandaid but it will help businesses maybe stay open.
I wasn't looking for retroactive blame, I was just pointing out that there was a ridiculous amount of inaction during the H1N1 epidemic, which led to 12,000 plus deaths, and the media gave Obama a pass even when it got to the levels it did, no one in the media put one ounce of blame on him at the time. Trump took action, 10 days after the first known case in the US he issued a travel ban, which of course was scoffed at by the left, he was called racist and xenophobic, and all the other left wing buzz words. Hell Biden still doesn't think the travel ban was a good idea.
I was talking about if Hillary had been elected, not Bill.
It may surpass 12,000 deaths. But without the travel bans, it would have been much much worse.
The reason Trump was elected is because he isn't like any other president in history. He says what he believes, and doesn't hold back. So be it. Maybe he should just challenge people to a push up contest, or lie about his academic record, or tell people he was a professor at Penn, like the guy the Democrats have hooked their wagons to.
I get it, fear of the unknown is fear. The problem with it all is that of the 120,000 plus cases in the country, roughly 2/3 of them or about 84,000 of them are in California, Washington and NY/NJ. Of the 2100 or so deaths, 1400 were in those states. 2/3 of this crap is concentrated in 4 states. Perhaps there is more to it than Trump not doing something the way you or others thinking it should have been done. Perhaps the local governments and leaders in NY, NJ, California and Washington should have taken necessary steps instead of waiting for the federal government to tell them what to do. Maybe the hospitals shouldn't have had lines 2x2 belly to back to get tests done in NY.
I have a relative that works in hospital administration down here in Houston. As of last Wednesday, their data show that the Coronavirus will peak in the Houston area about April 7 or so. Maybe it does, maybe those estimates change. But if it does peak at that time, maybe it is because we are more spread out and don't live on top of one and other, perhaps it is because the Governor of Texas told his counties to handle it as they see fit early on. Many of those local counties required shelter in places early on.
Regardless, some places are hit harder than others. for whatever reason. It is just easier to blame Trump than it is to take responsibility for what is going on in your city or state.
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The reason Trump gets blamed in the media (and many others) is due to his dismissal of how serious this was early on. That is an inescapable fact....and I view this as a national problem, not an individual state by state problem. That's why I think the federal government has a bigger role in responding to this.
Hope you're able to stay healthy, sir!
Notwithstanding my not having issues with travel bans....
The reason Trump gets blamed in the media (and many others) is due to his dismissal of how serious this was early on. That is an inescapable fact....and I view this as a national problem, not an individual state by state problem. That's why I think the federal government has a bigger role in responding to this.
Hope you're able to stay healthy, sir!
