For the "We need a running QB" crowd...

[HBK4life]

>> Tommy Armstrong Jr.’s ability to avoid pass rushers and scramble around in the
backfield prevented plenty of sacks over the last few years, but the unpredictability of where he was going to be did not make blocking any easier for the offensive line. Tanner Lee’s propensity to stay in the pocket creates an entirely different dynamic.

“I think that having that consistent pocket and consistent drops and footwork is going to help the line,” Langsdorf said. “Tanner’s good with that; he’s got good footwork, he’s not too deep or too shallow in the pocket. The line knowing exactly where he’s going to be is a huge deal. They want to protect for that launch-point spot. So I think that good footwork by the quarterback will help the protection along with getting rid of the ball quickly.”

 

[jeans15]

Will they snap the ball properly?

 

[elmonster]

I don't think I ever once saw Tommy step into the pocket. His go to move was to immediately spin out and scramble if his first read wasn't open in .5-1 second. That had to be a nightmare for the line.

 

[TwinsRRUs]

That makes sense. This gives another excuse as to why they were not good last year, but I think its a viable excuse.

On the other hand, the line better start pancaking some guys when we are running the ball. They also better stop gettig knocked backwards when we only need a yard for a firstdown or TD.

They flat out just need to be better this year for the team to win games.

Many fans are sold on the OL being better due to experience, but I want to see it for myself. The team needs them to be much more than 'better' this year.

If the OL sucks this year, so will the team. If they suck this year, 6-6 could actually happen. I don't want to watch the same thing (hit, hurried and sacked) that I saw in some of the TLee at Tulane videos.

 

[chicolby]

I agree with most of this. They are a year older. Possibly stronger. And while I recognize the defensive end for Tennessee is an NFL guy, and Gates was not 100%, I've never seen one guy wreak havoc quite like that. There was never a pocket developed in that game. He was in our backfield as soon as the ball was snapped.

 

[TarheelHuskerFan]

You'd think there would be less holding calls too

 

[otismotis08]

Success this year really hinges on a strong OL. Hope to see results of offseason conditioning out there. We need maulers, not doughboys.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Defense will know where he is too. Like it was said above...we need a strong OL

 

[Suvey101885]

When would you all say was the last time Nebraska had an offensive line the was very good? I'm not talking "Pipeline", I'm talking when there are two yards or less to go you expect a run and you expect the team to pick up the first down.

 

[HBK4life]

When would you all say was the last time Nebraska had an offensive line the was very good? I'm not talking "Pipeline", I'm talking when there are two yards or less to go you expect a run and you expect the team to pick up the first down.

Probably 2001 ish? Raiola and Fonoti

 

[SeaOfRed75]

I dont understand why some people cant think this is a valid arguement. Have they never watched football? Dont they understand basic geometry? Have they never run at full speed and tried to turn around someone as they would have to with a pocket vs barely having to turn because someone dropped an additional 10 yards.
I get Tommy's athleticism helped us. But his decisions and dropping back a mile while spinning hurt us too.
And the fact that the Oline is a year older with players that can actually fill in for dinged up guys is lost on some as well.

 

[c3ntral08]

I dont understand why some people cant think this is a valid arguement. Have they never watched football? Dont they understand basic geometry? Have they never run at full speed and tried to turn around someone as they would have to with a pocket vs barely having to turn because someone dropped an additional 10 yards.
I get Tommy's athleticism helped us. But his decisions and dropping back a mile while spinning hurt us too.
And the fact that the Oline is a year older with players that can actually fill in for dinged up guys is lost on some as well.

THIS. People didn't think about this before Langs mentioned it? Tommy's immediate spin-out-of-the-pocket and throw a yolo bomb was never a good thing. It's something little like pocket presence and the ability to step up in a clean pocket that will instantly make Lee a better QB. Add in his intelligence, leadership, and arm talent, I don't know how people can't see the addition by subtraction.

 

[TheBeav815]

I don't think I ever once saw Tommy step into the pocket. His go to move was to immediately spin out and scramble if his first read wasn't open in .5-1 second. That had to be a nightmare for the line.

If I had a dollar for every time I yelled at my TV, "CLIMB! CLIMB! CLIMB!!!" My DirecTV to watch the games could have been free.

 

[spinner4]

I agree with Langsdorf and see the logic how at sometimes this will help. But at the same time, there were times TA bailed out the O-line with his feet where guys like Tanner would have been sacked. The O-line is not fixed simply due to having a "pocket passer" if that were the case we would have seen a difference when Fyfe played. Remember it wasn't TA who played against Tennessee, it was Fyfe (more of a pocket passer) and our O-line got destroyed against the Vols.

But I believe the O-line will be much improved due to health, depth, and maturity. I just get kind of sick of people blaming TA for last years problems. If you really feel like its TA's fault, get over it. It is over with now. He was a good kid, who never got in serious trouble, and started 4 years for our beloved huskers. Was he Aaron Rodgers? No. But he had some quality wins and had to deal with far from ideal situations here. Best of luck to the young man.

Bottom line is, if you think that a pocket QB fixes everything, better not hold your breath. It will help in some areas but at the same time, we lose the ability for a QB to make plays with his feet if the O-line gets beat. The only true thing that can fix the O-line is Cav fixing himself. Cav better have done some "soul searching" after last year and looked for answers within on how he can change if this unit is going to becoming much better. If not, I am afraid we are going to get the same old man stubbornness we've seen when things go bad under Cav. Same stubbornness I saw in Bo, I see in Cav.

 

[Toms Wife]

I dont understand why some people cant think this is a valid arguement. Have they never watched football? Dont they understand basic geometry? Have they never run at full speed and tried to turn around someone as they would have to with a pocket vs barely having to turn because someone dropped an additional 10 yards.
I get Tommy's athleticism helped us. But his decisions and dropping back a mile while spinning hurt us too.
And the fact that the Oline is a year older with players that can actually fill in for dinged up guys is lost on some as well.

While there is truth to this, how many defensive line and backer coaches also said during Nebraska week, "You can't go 110% and think you will get to Tommy. Maintain your lanes and be sure to brake down to control him." The opposing defenders won't be getting that speech this year.

 

[TheBeav815]

I agree with Langsdorf and see the logic how at sometimes this will help. But at the same time, there were times TA bailed out the O-line with his feet where guys like Tanner would have been sacked. The O-line is not fixed simply due to having a "pocket passer" if that were the case we would have seen a difference when Fyfe played. Remember it wasn't TA who played against Tennessee, it was Fyfe (more of a pocket passer) and our O-line got destroyed against the Vols.

But I believe the O-line will be much improved due to health, depth, and maturity. I just get kind of sick of people blaming TA for last years problems. If you really feel like its TA's fault, get over it. It is over with now. He was a good kid, who never got in serious trouble, and started 4 years for our beloved huskers. Was he Aaron Rodgers? No. But he had some quality wins and had to deal with far from ideal situations here. Best of luck to the young man.

Bottom line is, if you think that a pocket QB fixes everything, better not hold your breath. It will help in some areas but at the same time, we lose the ability for a QB to make plays with his feet if the O-line gets beat. The only true thing that can fix the O-line is Cav fixing himself. Cav better have done some "soul searching" after last year and looked for answers within on how he can change if this unit is going to becoming much better. If not, I am afraid we are going to get the same old man stubbornness we've seen when things go bad under Cav. Same stubbornness I saw in Bo, I see in Cav.

What specifically are you saying Cav needed to fix? I'm not saying the OL play has been great, but I'm not sure who was gonna come in and set the world on fire with a bunch of walk-ons and Gates at 70% by his own account.

We continually forget that we're just now getting to a point where some of their best recruits have had a couple years to get on the weights and learn the system. Impact OL players as underclassmen are rare.

 

[timnsun]

I agree with Langsdorf and see the logic how at sometimes this will help. But at the same time, there were times TA bailed out the O-line with his feet where guys like Tanner would have been sacked. The O-line is not fixed simply due to having a "pocket passer" if that were the case we would have seen a difference when Fyfe played. Remember it wasn't TA who played against Tennessee, it was Fyfe (more of a pocket passer) and our O-line got destroyed against the Vols.

But I believe the O-line will be much improved due to health, depth, and maturity. I just get kind of sick of people blaming TA for last years problems. If you really feel like its TA's fault, get over it. It is over with now. He was a good kid, who never got in serious trouble, and started 4 years for our beloved huskers. Was he Aaron Rodgers? No. But he had some quality wins and had to deal with far from ideal situations here. Best of luck to the young man.

Bottom line is, if you think that a pocket QB fixes everything, better not hold your breath. It will help in some areas but at the same time, we lose the ability for a QB to make plays with his feet if the O-line gets beat. The only true thing that can fix the O-line is Cav fixing himself. Cav better have done some "soul searching" after last year and looked for answers within on how he can change if this unit is going to becoming much better. If not, I am afraid we are going to get the same old man stubbornness we've seen when things go bad under Cav. Same stubbornness I saw in Bo, I see in Cav.

Agree somewhat with this, but it's not just good in the pocket. Coaches and scouts are raving about his quick release and accuracy as well. Could the same be said about Ryker?

We won't go sack free this year, and we very well could give up more this year than last. But the trade off for this offense, I am hoping, will more than make up for it.

Regarding the oline, hope the guys are healthy, stronger and more seasoned.

 

[spinner4]

What specifically are you saying Cav needed to fix? I'm not saying the OL play has been great, but I'm not sure who was gonna come in and set the world on fire with a bunch of walk-ons and Gates at 70% by his own account.

We continually forget that we're just now getting to a point where some of their best recruits have had a couple years to get on the weights and learn the system. Impact OL players as underclassmen are rare.

As simple as I can put it, I think Cav needs to be a better coach in ever aspect of coaching. Last years' line had some of the worst footwork I've ever seen. It was by far the worst I've ever seen @ Nu. Also, the unit really lacked cadence. I would have felt better had the O-line just simply got beat, but executed properly. Also, lack of a rotation or at least adding one or two swing men to aid would have been big. I know Milt stating he didn't rotate much, especially with the 1994 team, but he did do some. HTO stated that to me one time, so I spitefully re-watched most of those games and noticed we ran 7 guys on those lines when the game was close. Steve Ott and Bill Humphrey both played a ton of ball outside the normal starting five (going off into some place I am not trying to go into)...

Anyways, I could go on and on about Cav and I am tired of the excuses. How about it's time to put up or shut up? Can we stop blaming everything else this year? If our O-line has a great year, then I will be happy as hell for Cav. He's a good man. I have no doubt about that. If his unit does it's job this year, then I will rethink all of these excuses from this board on why it wasn't Cavs fault.

But I believe in "no excuses".

 

[hddude55]

I hope we don't need a running qb, but unless the oline is 1000% improved there will be a ton of sacks and hurried throws.

 

[bigboxes]

That makes sense. This gives another excuse as to why they were not good last year, but I think its a viable excuse.

On the other hand, the line better start pancaking some guys when we are running the ball. They also better stop gettig knocked backwards when we only need a yard for a firstdown or TD.

They flat out just need to be better this year for the team to win games.

Many fans are sold on the OL being better due to experience, but I want to see it for myself. The team needs them to be much more than 'better' this year.

If the OL sucks this year, so will the team. If they suck this year, 6-6 could actually happen. I don't want to watch the same thing (hit, hurried and sacked) that I saw in some of the TLee at Tulane videos.

I feel this way too! I don't know for sure that they will be better. I'd like to think that due to inexperience and injuries last year, it can't get worse. I said over the summer, this is the year to really judge Coach Cav. Time to put up. If they can show even measurable improvement we are going to move those chains. I'm going on the over!

 

[bigboxes]

I agree with most of this. They are a year older. Possibly stronger. And while I recognize the defensive end for Tennessee is an NFL guy, and Gates was not 100%, I've never seen one guy wreak havoc quite like that. There was never a pocket developed in that game. He was in our backfield as soon as the ball was snapped.

You forgot about Suh.

 

[Morgan747]

Many fans are sold on the OL being better due to experience, but I want to see it for myself. The team needs them to be much more than 'better' this year.

If the line doesn't produce this year, Cavanaugh needs to be gone!

 

[TheBeav815]

As simple as I can put it, I think Cav needs to be a better coach in ever aspect of coaching. Last years' line had some of the worst footwork I've ever seen. It was by far the worst I've ever seen @ Nu. Also, the unit really lacked cadence. I would have felt better had the O-line just simply got beat, but executed properly. Also, lack of a rotation or at least adding one or two swing men to aid would have been big. I know Milt stating he didn't rotate much, especially with the 1994 team, but he did do some. HTO stated that to me one time, so I spitefully re-watched most of those games and noticed we ran 7 guys on those lines when the game was close. Steve Ott and Bill Humphrey both played a ton of ball outside the normal starting five (going off into some place I am not trying to go into)...

Anyways, I could go on and on about Cav and I am tired of the excuses. How about it's time to put up or shut up? Can we stop blaming everything else this year? If our O-line has a great year, then I will be happy as hell for Cav. He's a good man. I have no doubt about that. If his unit does it's job this year, then I will rethink all of these excuses from this board on why it wasn't Cavs fault.

But I believe in "no excuses".

It's gotten to be time. They have some age and some talent to work with now, and some players who have been 2+ years with his coaching. I think it's fully fair to judge this year.

Going back to what they said in camp last year and taking the season as a whole, I don't think they thought their players were very good. Especially once Foster blew his knee. I suspect they weren't playing swing backups because they didn't think anyone was worth playing.

I recall a lot of commentary to the effect that they didn't expect the run game to be effective because their guys couldn't move anyone.

Knevel is a good example. He's not very good, and yet nobody seems to be able to take his job from him.

It reminds you of the DE problems on the other side of the line. Playing mediocre guys and it drives you nuts to watch them get no push, but yet the guys behind them must be even worse or they'd be starting.

 

[beerdawg69]

Probably 2001 ish? Raiola and Fonoti

I had the pleasure of meeting Fonoti, super nice guy. He was was one large human. If I remember, Husker equipment had to order a special helmet for his melon.

 

[TruHusker]

Why does Tommy have to be the comparison for running QB's? There are a more that are productive passers and runners and who step up in the pocket and have some pocket presence.

If the point is to sell me that we have an even trade off I ain't buying it.

 

[TheBeav815]

I had the pleasure of meeting Fonoti, super nice guy. He was was one large human. If I remember, Husker equipment had to order a special helmet for his melon.

Used to seem him around campus, it looked like a damn tree trunk was walking around. Just a mass of humanity.

 

[nebcountry]

I'd have to go back and rewatch games to see if TA just ran around for the fun of it, or if he was avoiding pressure/penetration. There's plenty of people that make money of off football analytics, so let's look at one of them. Here's a landof10 article with info from pro football focus and a few quotes I included.

"5. All kinds of little nuggets from our friends at Pro Football Focus, most notably:

• Tanner Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with more than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: 73-ish.
• Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with less than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: Also 73-ish.
• Lee’s average time to release the ball with the Wave in 2015: 2.53 seconds.
• Tommy Armstrong Jr.’s average time to release the ball with the Cornhuskers in 2016: 2.53 seconds."

"It’s also worth noting that the 2.53 time was the lowest in the Big Ten last fall among starters, either because Armstrong, a dual threat, chose to bail — or the choice was made for him."

"With Armstrong at the controls and bodies banged up left and right, Big Red blockers landed all over the map in 2016. PFF charted guard Tanner Farmer with just nine hurries allowed, one hit and no sacks. Tackle Nick Gates was slapped with 23 pressures allowed, while fellow tackle David Knevel and Foster wound up with 34 pressures, combined, over 450 pass-block reps."

Just my opinion, we're going to need to see marked improvement on the OLine.

 

[Morgan747]

I'd have to go back and rewatch games to see if TA just ran around for the fun of it, or if he was avoiding pressure/penetration. There's plenty of people that make money of off football analytics, so let's look at one of them. Here's a landof10 article with info from pro football focus and a few quotes I included.

"5. All kinds of little nuggets from our friends at Pro Football Focus, most notably:

• Tanner Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with more than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: 73-ish.
• Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with less than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: Also 73-ish.
• Lee’s average time to release the ball with the Wave in 2015: 2.53 seconds.
• Tommy Armstrong Jr.’s average time to release the ball with the Cornhuskers in 2016: 2.53 seconds."

"It’s also worth noting that the 2.53 time was the lowest in the Big Ten last fall among starters, either because Armstrong, a dual threat, chose to bail — or the choice was made for him."

"With Armstrong at the controls and bodies banged up left and right, Big Red blockers landed all over the map in 2016. PFF charted guard Tanner Farmer with just nine hurries allowed, one hit and no sacks. Tackle Nick Gates was slapped with 23 pressures allowed, while fellow tackle David Knevel and Foster wound up with 34 pressures, combined, over 450 pass-block reps."

Just my opinion, we're going to need to see marked improvement on the OLine.

What is 73-ish? What does it mean?

 

[timnsun]

I'd have to go back and rewatch games to see if TA just ran around for the fun of it, or if he was avoiding pressure/penetration. There's plenty of people that make money of off football analytics, so let's look at one of them. Here's a landof10 article with info from pro football focus and a few quotes I included.

"5. All kinds of little nuggets from our friends at Pro Football Focus, most notably:

• Tanner Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with more than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: 73-ish.
• Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with less than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: Also 73-ish.
• Lee’s average time to release the ball with the Wave in 2015: 2.53 seconds.
• Tommy Armstrong Jr.’s average time to release the ball with the Cornhuskers in 2016: 2.53 seconds."

"It’s also worth noting that the 2.53 time was the lowest in the Big Ten last fall among starters, either because Armstrong, a dual threat, chose to bail — or the choice was made for him."

"With Armstrong at the controls and bodies banged up left and right, Big Red blockers landed all over the map in 2016. PFF charted guard Tanner Farmer with just nine hurries allowed, one hit and no sacks. Tackle Nick Gates was slapped with 23 pressures allowed, while fellow tackle David Knevel and Foster wound up with 34 pressures, combined, over 450 pass-block reps."

Just my opinion, we're going to need to see marked improvement on the OLine.

I decided to read the article you read... Here is what I saw that you left out.

"Which brings us back to Lee, for whom 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi, Get The Heck Outta There isn’t exactly a part of the toolbox. And yet here’s the funny part: Like the anonymous coach that Cavanaugh hasn’t read, Liskiewitz isn’t exactly sweating the pocket part of the operation. Yet.

“I’m more worried about the offense getting consistent play from the skill positions,” he said, “than I am about the line having to hold up a bit longer this year.”

“The pocket presence, it was a different kind of game with Tommy,” guard Jerald Foster said. “He had legs, he was a great runner and I loved him for what he showcased in that.

“T-Lee, he’s more of a pass guy, and he’ll stay in the pocket. You play the game different, but that’s just how you learn.”

And that’s what some of this week is about, along with the other cobwebs that need summer clearing. With Armstrong, the guys forming the pocket in front of him had to ponder where he was going or improvising next, then react accordingly. With Lee, it’s about where he prefers to set up.

And, more importantly, where to set up next once Plan A goes out the car window like a piece of old chewing gum.

“He’s got good footwork. He’s not too deep or too shallow in the pocket,” offensive coordinator Danny Langsdorf said of the Huskers’ starting signal caller.

“And the line knowing exactly where he’s going to be is a huge deal. They want to protect for that launch-point spot, and so I think that good footwork by the quarterback will help the protection, along with getting rid of the ball quickly.”

“

is a bit of an unknown at this point,” Liskiewitz continued, “but as long as the other four can maintain their health — I think, in comparison to some of the other lines in the conference, they should be in solid shape.
​

“The rest of the offense, at least until attrition starts to hit the line, is where my worries would be.”




Just my opinion, you need to quit cherrypicking quotes from articles.​

 

[nebcountry]

What is 73-ish? What does it mean?

That's TLee's QB rating based off of whatever formula they were using.

I decided to read the article you read... Here is what I saw that you left out.

Just my opinion, you need to quit cherrypicking quotes from articles.​

I included the link so that you (or whoever) could come back and provide some type of counterpoint/additional discussion/different perspective. So, I don't need you to tell me how to conduct my life.

 

[timnsun]

That's TLee's QB rating based off of whatever formula they were using.



I included the link so that you (or whoever) could come back and provide some type of counterpoint/additional discussion/different perspective. So, I don't need you to tell me how to conduct my life.

It just really sucks that you feel compelled to post every damn negative part of the article and leave out every positive part.

Very telling if you ask me.

 

[timnsun]

Let me ask you nebcountry... what was the thrust of the article? What was the conclusion that you didn't post? He says he's not worried about the OLine, and that they should be solid as long as they find a center. He's more worried about the skill players.

And you cherry pick the article to say something the author wasn't communicating.

That is bush league and you know it.

 

[nebcountry]

Let me ask you nebcountry... what was the thrust of the article? What was the conclusion that you didn't post? He says he's not worried about the OLine, and that they should be solid as long as they find a center. He's more worried about the skill players.

And you cherry pick the article to say something the author wasn't communicating.

That is bush league and you know it.

First the author is not Liskiewitz. The article is about the OLine and Cavanaugh. I noticed something you left out,

"Nothing crushes the good intentions of a pro-style passing attack quite like the dropsies. Although among the pantheon of self-inflicted wounds, holding calls run a close second. Lee can paint the corners like van Gogh, but if the kid’s running for his life, it’s a moot point."

And the author's conclusion: "Winter is coming, kids. But if Lee’s still in one piece by the end of autumn, the rest figures to take care of itself. Eventually." I take that to mean if TLee hasn't been sacked to an injury level, the skill positions will take care of themselves. Hardly a glowing conclusion by the author.

Josh Liskiewitz works for Pro football focus. I have no earthly idea what Liskiewitz expects for NU this year. And how good a season you, me, everyone thinks, could also change your number of worries.

Liskiewitz is placing the offensive skill positions at a higher level of concern than the OLine. Is his worry to win 6 games or to win 10 games? I'm not worried about our WR's, QB's, or RB's. WR's, I think they will do good. QB's, really just TLee at this point, should show an improvement over his Tulane days. RB's is what it is. It will take a special RB to shine in Langsdorf's scheme, but I'm not worried about an implosion at RB. 6 or 7 wins should be our floor, and I'm already expecting the skill positions to not be a weakness.

So timnsun, if you have a worry, is that worry more associated with the OLine or skill positions?

 

[timnsun]

First the author is not Liskiewitz. The article is about the OLine and Cavanaugh. I noticed something you left out,

"Nothing crushes the good intentions of a pro-style passing attack quite like the dropsies. Although among the pantheon of self-inflicted wounds, holding calls run a close second. Lee can paint the corners like van Gogh, but if the kid’s running for his life, it’s a moot point."

And the author's conclusion: "Winter is coming, kids. But if Lee’s still in one piece by the end of autumn, the rest figures to take care of itself. Eventually." I take that to mean if TLee hasn't been sacked to an injury level, the skill positions will take care of themselves. Hardly a glowing conclusion by the author.

Josh Liskiewitz works for Pro football focus. I have no earthly idea what Liskiewitz expects for NU this year. And how good a season you, me, everyone thinks, could also change your number of worries.

Liskiewitz is placing the offensive skill positions at a higher level of concern than the OLine. Is his worry to win 6 games or to win 10 games? I'm not worried about our WR's, QB's, or RB's. WR's, I think they will do good. QB's, really just TLee at this point, should show an improvement over his Tulane days. RB's is what it is. It will take a special RB to shine in Langsdorf's scheme, but I'm not worried about an implosion at RB. 6 or 7 wins should be our floor, and I'm already expecting the skill positions to not be a weakness.

So timnsun, if you have a worry, is that worry more associated with the OLine or skill positions?

Doesn't matter what I'm worried about, you were the one that posted the negative stats about the OLine then conveniently left out the stuff the pro football guy said where he suggest the OLine will be solid, provided they have a center.

I'm not the one who put myself out there saying our OLine needs to show marked improvement. Of course it does! Last year's version was bad. But Liskiewitz, whose job it is to know football, says this year's version is going to be solid.

Why post all the negative stuff about the OLine but omit the stuff where the pro football guy says he's not worried about this year's OLine?

Why do that? What's your agenda here?

 

[nebcountry]

Doesn't matter what I'm worried about, you were the one that posted the negative stats about the OLine then conveniently left out the stuff the pro football guy said where he suggest the OLine will be solid, provided they have a center.

I'm not the one who put myself out there saying our OLine needs to show marked improvement. Of course it does! Last year's version was bad. But Liskiewitz, whose job it is to know football, says this year's version is going to be solid.

Why post all the negative stuff about the OLine but omit the stuff where the pro football guy says he's not worried about this year's OLine?

Why do that? What's your agenda here?

I showed the NUMBERS in my first post. I didn't hide or purposely conceal any of the analytics. You're the one looking at the numbers and seeing the negative. So those NUMBERS look bad to you, and you say I'm only posting the negative stuff?

So you want something positive? How about this. We don't need to worry about the OLine, we need to worry about the skill players. How's that for positive. But, imo, that will not be a problem area for us.

A good portion of America thinks we're only gonna win 6 or 7 games, hard to frame that in a positive light.

 

[timnsun]

I showed the NUMBERS in my first post. I didn't hide or purposely conceal any of the analytics. You're the one looking at the numbers and seeing the negative. So those NUMBERS look bad to you, and you say I'm only posting the negative stuff?

So you want something positive? How about this. We don't need to worry about the OLine, we need to worry about the skill players. How's that for positive. But, imo, that will not be a problem area for us.

A good portion of America thinks we're only gonna win 6 or 7 games, hard to frame that in a positive light.

Next time just post the damn article. No need to focus on numbers that tell us how bad the OLine was last year. We already know that.

And spare me the "I just posted the numbers" crap. Why post them and conclude with the line needs to improve.

No mention of what liskiewitz said. Why?

Agenda.

 

[timnsun]

I'm done with this. It's clear what your intent was and you got called out for it. Too bad you won't admit it.

 

[nebcountry]

I'm done with this. It's clear what your intent was and you got called out for it. Too bad you won't admit it.

Okay timnsun. You've doubled down and tripled down on this agenda thing, all the while agreeing with what I said. I have no desire to get in a running feud with you, or really anyone for that matter.

If you want to call it an agenda, fine with me. The OP post title reads "for the we need a running qb crowd". I took it as a glib statement and it overlooks our deficiencies on the OLine. So, I go get data and give my opinion. That's it, no secret agenda.

Gerry DiNardo, the former D1 coach, is viewed as not knowing what he's talking about. Yet, some analyst that gets paid to count QB hurries is some kind of unquestionable expert. I disagreed with the analyst's assessment that skill positions was the concern and that the OLine was solid.

 

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Tommy is either oil or water but the O-line was a dumpster fire last year. Say what you will about TA but he only mitigated or exacerbated the problem. Tommy was not the root cause. Injuries and lack of depth took a toll to be sure but hot damn that line play was awful, just awful. I am hopeful with a healthy line and some young depth there will be improvement.

So would you feel better if NU had a solid O-line and consistent pass rush OR a good pocket QB and solid secondary? I know I would prefer the former but I think we have the latter.

 

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I'd have to go back and rewatch games to see if TA just ran around for the fun of it, or if he was avoiding pressure/penetration. There's plenty of people that make money of off football analytics, so let's look at one of them. Here's a landof10 article with info from pro football focus and a few quotes I included.

"5. All kinds of little nuggets from our friends at Pro Football Focus, most notably:

• Tanner Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with more than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: 73-ish.
• Lee’s quarterback rating at Tulane with less than 2.6 seconds to get rid of the ball: Also 73-ish.
• Lee’s average time to release the ball with the Wave in 2015: 2.53 seconds.
• Tommy Armstrong Jr.’s average time to release the ball with the Cornhuskers in 2016: 2.53 seconds."

"It’s also worth noting that the 2.53 time was the lowest in the Big Ten last fall among starters, either because Armstrong, a dual threat, chose to bail — or the choice was made for him."

"With Armstrong at the controls and bodies banged up left and right, Big Red blockers landed all over the map in 2016. PFF charted guard Tanner Farmer with just nine hurries allowed, one hit and no sacks. Tackle Nick Gates was slapped with 23 pressures allowed, while fellow tackle David Knevel and Foster wound up with 34 pressures, combined, over 450 pass-block reps."

Just my opinion, we're going to need to see marked improvement on the OLine.

Considering Foster played in only 3 games, I'm skeptical about that last stat.