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Yes Jim H at Michigan is doing great but lets face it, with the talent that was there on defense and offense and the weapons he had there was a perfect hire and match for those guys, its working beautifully. Now Riely with the talent and players we had and the make up of the team doesn't match Riley and his system. What he runs a BALANCED offense_ not pass happy) and our offense was set up for a read opition, Oregan tyoe offense. Not exactly a match for Riley and Langsdorf. I honestly feel with the set up those 2 had to change around and adapt to, they have done pretty well, especially considering Tommy maybe the only true D1 QB we have right now. Not to mention how bad our offensive line really is, now that Abdullah is gone we now see this. I honestly believe when O'Brien and hopefully Gebbia matched with WRa like Morgan and hopefully KJJ and possibly a few other 4 star WR, our offense will be scarey freaking good. Again offensively i think they have done well.

Now defensively im a little lost. We do have SOME talent issues and depth issues yes and some players just not ment for Bankers style of defense BUT do we not have a total of 3 different Defensive co. on staff? I woukd think 3 different minds added together would produce a little better product. Now is it possible that theres to many chiefs and not enough indians in the defensive staff? Maybe thats an issue or is it possible Banker isn't opening his ears to these other guys and there thoughts on how to improve the play out there. I do admit, we have a solid run defense but shit, we should when we have Collins and Vince in the middle.

Now lets get honest opinions on some of this, not haters or rose colored glasses being worn. On defense, yes i think we got some talent issues which leads to pour depth and this is apparent, some players in the wrong system for there talent, too. But this is where id assume 3 different D co could come together and figure something out. Again, thoughts please.
 
huskerssalts said:
Yes Jim H at Michigan is doing great but lets face it, with the talent that was there on defense and offense and the weapons he had there was a perfect hire and match for those guys, its working beautifully. Now Riely with the talent and players we had and the make up of the team doesn't match Riley and his system. What he runs a BALANCED offense_ not pass happy) and our offense was set up for a read opition, Oregan tyoe offense. Not exactly a match for Riley and Langsdorf. I honestly feel with the set up those 2 had to change around and adapt to, they have done pretty well, especially considering Tommy maybe the only true D1 QB we have right now. Not to mention how bad our offensive line really is, now that Abdullah is gone we now see this. I honestly believe when O'Brien and hopefully Gebbia matched with WRa like Morgan and hopefully KJJ and possibly a few other 4 star WR, our offense will be scarey freaking good. Again offensively i think they have done well.

Now defensively im a little lost. We do have SOME talent issues and depth issues yes and some players just not ment for Bankers style of defense BUT do we not have a total of 3 different Defensive co. on staff? I woukd think 3 different minds added together would produce a little better product. Now is it possible that theres to many chiefs and not enough indians in the defensive staff? Maybe thats an issue or is it possible Banker isn't opening his ears to these other guys and there thoughts on how to improve the play out there. I do admit, we have a solid run defense but shit, we should when we have Collins and Vince in the middle.

Now lets get honest opinions on some of this, not haters or rose colored glasses being worn. On defense, yes i think we got some talent issues which leads to pour depth and this is apparent, some players in the wrong system for there talent, too. But this is where id assume 3 different D co could come together and figure something out. Again, thoughts please.
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Two totally different situations. It's not worthwhile to compare the two in my opinion.

Let's hope that recruiting can help some areas. Where the talent/depth has really lacking IMHO, is on the OL, DE and at LB. We had a redshirt freshman starting at left tackle. When his senior backup is in, he struggles greatly. Our QB play has also been an issue in that even when Tommy is struggling, we have literally no confidence in anyone else at that position. That says something.

I honestly think the defense, despite its inconsistent play at times, has improved. However, I think that is overshadowed by some of the boneheaded plays on offense that continue to bring this team down. I don't think the offense has improved at all, and won't without better QB/OL play.
 
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I can agreed with that. And my bad, that wasnt ment to compare the 2 programs and coaches. Was trying to point how well Jim matched Michigans previous set up or at least talent that was there, compared to Riley not matching Becks fast paced, opition read style offense to Rileys take your time, huddle up and balnces offense. It will take some time change our offense fully over. With what Riley got, i honestly think hes done pretty well.
 
How long are people going to keep making excuses for Riley and staff? Playing disciplined is not a talent issue. Playing with proper technique is not a talent issue. Playing with effort is not a talent issue.

We keep being told to be patient and that Riley needs "his guys". (His class ranks tenth in the Big Ten btw) Riley is 62. He's not going to be here in five years regardless how well or bad he does. So we will be told to be patient again when the next guy needs to bring in his players in a few years. I fear my beloved alma mater will not be relavent for at least ten years minimum if these clowns are allowed to continue to run the show beyond this year.
 
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Bro its not excuses, its obvious points. The offense we ran the past few years with Tommy and Taylor is way different from Rileys style of offense. I meam stop and truly think about it, God how would Taylor do this year with this offense? I think the only QB we had over the past years that would of matched this offense would of been Cody Green. I think would of killed it with Riley and Langsdorf for 4 years. I always thought Green remindes me of Bryon Leftwhich (sure i mispelled it, going off memory) .

And what about oline play, i dont see that as technique issues, our line is just bad, i think the coaches are the ones who get the occasional good play out of them. I remember under Bo and Beck how many penalties we had, those issues has been happening for a bit now. I believe its just the draw oline talent we got in. And i dont remember a domanite play for a season fron our line in a long time. Abdullah made our line look good or at least ok.
 
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Then if you remember we Burkhead and Helu before Burkhead. Point is we had some elite backs to help make our oline play look better. Take those giys away amd insert some average backs, what do we get? See the point now?
 
huskerssalts said:
Now defensively im a little lost. We do have SOME talent issues and depth issues yes and some players just not ment for Bankers style of defense BUT do we not have a total of 3 different Defensive co. on staff?
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1 mediocre defensive coordinator = 1 mediocre defense.
2 mediocre defensive coordinators = 1 mediocre defense.
3 mediocre defensive coordinators = 1 mediocre defense.
 
We're just not a fundamentally sound football team. Fix that and a lot of problems will disappear so you can worry about talent and depth later. It's hard to beat teams that don't make a lot of mistakes and sprinkle in some talent then you have something to build on.
 
We were told to wait until Callahan got his players too, and wait till he developed those 4 and 5-star recruits he signed. But I think many of us knew after that first 5-7 season that he was probably not an elite coach.

Nobody expected a Big Ten Championship this year, but Riley seems to be one of the few coaching hires this year who replaced a fired coach and is losing more games than his predecessor did. A lot of times, a new coach rejuvenates a program, and brings a spark and new energy to the program, but Riley seems to have brought the opposite in many respects.

There were some empty seats at the stadium yesterday. Can't imagine the boosters will be happy if those pockets of empty seats continue to grow. We will have to win at least 7-8 games next year IMO. It's unfortunate for Mike, but he had to know the pressures and realities of the job after we fired a coach who won 70% of his games.
 
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Captain Nick said:
How long are people going to keep making excuses for Riley and staff? Playing disciplined is not a talent issue. Playing with proper technique is not a talent issue. Playing with effort is not a talent issue.

We keep being told to be patient and that Riley needs "his guys". (His class ranks tenth in the Big Ten btw) Riley is 62. He's not going to be here in five years regardless how well or bad he does. So we will be told to be patient again when the next guy needs to bring in his players in a few years. I fear my beloved alma mater will not be relavent for at least ten years minimum if these clowns are allowed to continue to run the show beyond this year.
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Your nuts if you can't see the lack of talent is one of the issues we are facing. Now there are likely others as well - some may be coaching issues, attitude, terrible judgment by key players, etc. But to claim talent is not an issue is crazy ... just go look at how many of our players get all-conference honors in the last 4-5 years compared to what we used to get.
 
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MichHusker said:
Your nuts if you can't see the lack of talent is one of the issues we are facing. Now there are likely others as well - some may be coaching issues, attitude, terrible judgment by key players, etc. But to claim talent is not an issue is crazy ... just go look at how many of our players get all-conference honors in the last 4-5 years compared to what we used to get.
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Please out of the following teams, who has more talent than Nebraska?
BYU
Miami
Illinois
Wisconsin
North Western.
 
Gimmered said:
Please out of the following teams, who has more talent than Nebraska?
BYU
Miami
Illinois
Wisconsin
North Western.
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Irrelevant what talent is on other teams. The point is Nebraska's talent today is way off what Nebraska's talent was of years past. It's down - an it has been for 4-5 years now. It's no where close to what is used to be in the "Top 10" years of Devany and TO. Callahan is probably the last guy that actually got good talent to NU .. and it shown in Pelini's early years. Go grab you Media Guide and see how we stack up to what we used to have. Do you really think or O-Line and D-Line are anywhere close to what is was (talent wise) in the last year we won a conference championship???
 
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MichHusker said:
Irrelevant what talent is on other teams. The point is Nebraska's talent today is way off what Nebraska's talent was of years past. It's down - an it has been for 4-5 years now. It's no where close to what is used to be in the "Top 10" years of Devany and TO. Callahan is probably the last guy that actually got good talent to NU .. and it shown in Pelini's early years. Go grab you Media Guide and see how we stack up to what we used to have. Do you really think or O-Line and D-Line are anywhere close to what is was (talent wise) in the last year we won a conference championship???
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It is not irrelevant, these are the teams that beat Nebraska. We have more talent than all of them. The problem is game planning and management.

I'm not talking about winning the conference. I'm talking about beating unranked teams. I'm talking about making it to a bowl.
 
Gimmered said:
It is not irrelevant, these are the teams that beat Nebraska. We have more talent than all of them. The problem is game planning and management.

I'm not talking about winning the conference. I'm talking about beating unranked teams. I'm talking about making it to a bowl.
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It is irrelevant. We are talking Nebraska here. Our talent is either better, worse or the same than it was 4-7 years ago. And it is clearly WAY down compared to 4-7 years+ ago. Look at it position by position. There is almost no position where the guy playing today is better talent than the guy playing that spot 4-7 years ago (and for the many years before that). The stats don't lie. And its playing out this year - its one of the factors that is responsible for our 3-5 record.
 
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It is irrelevant. We are talking Nebraska here. Our talent is either better, worse or the same than it was 4-7 years ago. And it is clearly WAY down compared to 4-7 years+ ago. Look at it position by position. There is almost no position where the guy playing today is better talent than the guy playing that spot 4-7 years ago (and for the many years before that). The stats don't lie. And its playing out this year - its one of the factors that is responsible for our 3-5 record.
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No the talent we had 4-7 years ago is irrelevant to the 5 losses this year. We have more talent than BYU, we have more talent than Miami, we have more talent than Illinois, we have more talent than Wisconsin and North Western. We were out prepared and out coached in those games.
 
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No the talent we had 4-7 years ago is irrelevant to the 5 losses this year. We have more talent than BYU, we have more talent than Miami, we have more talent than Illinois, we have more talent than Wisconsin and North Western. We were out prepared and out coached in those games.
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I wouldnt say we have more talent than Miami, other than that I'd say we have plenty to beat every other team we've played by a comfortable enough margin IF we actually played well as a team. Nebraska is it's own worst enemy in many of these games. Play as a team that doesn't make many mistakes and our views would be MUCH different this season. We don't have enough talent to play like complete crap and still win but we have enough talent to be sitting with only one loss right now.
 
MichHusker said:
Irrelevant what talent is on other teams. The point is Nebraska's talent today is way off what Nebraska's talent was of years past. It's down - an it has been for 4-5 years now. It's no where close to what is used to be in the "Top 10" years of Devany and TO. Callahan is probably the last guy that actually got good talent to NU .. and it shown in Pelini's early years. Go grab you Media Guide and see how we stack up to what we used to have. Do you really think or O-Line and D-Line are anywhere close to what is was (talent wise) in the last year we won a conference championship???
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4-5 years or 10-15?
 
huskerssalts said:
Bro its not excuses, its obvious points. The offense we ran the past few years with Tommy and Taylor is way different from Rileys style of offense. I meam stop and truly think about it, God how would Taylor do this year with this offense? I think the only QB we had over the past years that would of matched this offense would of been Cody Green. I think would of killed it with Riley and Langsdorf for 4 years. I always thought Green remindes me of Bryon Leftwhich (sure i mispelled it, going off memory) .

And what about oline play, i dont see that as technique issues, our line is just bad, i think the coaches are the ones who get the occasional good play out of them. I remember under Bo and Beck how many penalties we had, those issues has been happening for a bit now. I believe its just the draw oline talent we got in. And i dont remember a domanite play for a season fron our line in a long time. Abdullah made our line look good or at least ok.
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You do understand that completely changing the systems was a COACHING decision. Something that Riley had a choice on. Something we were told for 8 months that Riley was too smart to force his systems on players that everyone knew was not their strength. Good coaches adapt to their players & win games with those players. One absolute fact is that TA is good enough to win 9 games with a half decent OC that has a clue on how to use his strengths. Riley decided he didn't want to do that so that is on him.
 
Taking the thing that TA does best, running, away from him is like making Carrot Top do stand-up without props.
 
Gimmered said:
No the talent we had 4-7 years ago is irrelevant to the 5 losses this year. We have more talent than BYU, we have more talent than Miami, we have more talent than Illinois, we have more talent than Wisconsin and North Western. We were out prepared and out coached in those games.
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I am sorry you are so obtuse and cannot grasp basic facts. Just go on believing our talent level is not down relative to what is was from say 1964 - 2010 (after which we started the years of at least one huge blowout loss every year and the number of NFL draft picks trailed off). Point is, until talent is fixed, we are not going anywhere.
 
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MichHusker said:
I am sorry you are so obtuse and cannot grasp basic facts. Just go on believing our talent level is not down relative to what is was from say 1964 - 2010 (after which we started the years of at least one huge blowout loss every year and the number of NFL draft picks trailed off). Point is, until talent is fixed, we are not going anywhere.
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Yes it is down, it is however better than the teams we have lost to. These losses are what is relevant.
 
Why do people think real football is like Madden where players come in with a predetermined point system that determines there worth. All college players come in with potential. That's it. Every single one of them needs to be coached and developed. Coaches need to find a way to inspire players, put them into position to succeed and to reach their potential. Only under very extreme circumstances do players arrive on campus game ready, let alone elite. Heck, even Suh got pushed around until his Jr. year.

Serious question. Does Nebraska have scheduled times during the week where the coaches and team get together and have practice? Because I don't see any players on this roster who are playing at a higher level then they did a year ago (sans a few walkons seeing the field for the first time). I'm not seeing anybody on this roster playing inspired or even like they want to be out there at this point. I know they want to win. If these coaches can't reach them then it's on the coaches.
 
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I wouldnt say we have more talent than Miami, other than that I'd say we have plenty to beat every other team we've played by a comfortable enough margin IF we actually played well as a team. Nebraska is it's own worst enemy in many of these games. Play as a team that doesn't make many mistakes and our views would be MUCH different this season. We don't have enough talent to play like complete crap and still win but we have enough talent to be sitting with only one loss right now.
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Thank you for saying that we don't have more talent than Miami. Al Golden is just a bad coach, that's why he got blitzed 58-0 this weekend. Clemson is a good team, but not that far superior as the score indicated. I agreed with everybody else that we lost to this year. You look at the Minnesota game, 3 penalties, good day from Tommy, solid day from the o-line and we stuck with one back most of the day. Plus we caused a few turnovers on D, sure we gave a lot of yards through the air, but what game have we not given up record days for quarterbacks. Talent is not so much an issue, but toxic attitudes some of these players still have mesh that with no depth at certain positions that is recipe for a bad season.
 
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No the talent we had 4-7 years ago is irrelevant to the 5 losses this year. We have more talent than BYU, we have more talent than Miami, we have more talent than Illinois, we have more talent than Wisconsin and North Western. We were out prepared and out coached in those games.
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I have to disagree. We do not have greater talent than that Miami team. Just look at the team speed Miami has. If it weren't for there terrible coaching they would have blown us out. Al Goldens hot seat was way hooter than MR obviously from the firing that occurred today. If we lost like that to Michigan State or an Iowa like that we will see Mike Riley unemployed as well.
 
N has enough talent to be undefeated with the schedule they've played thus far. Whether it's players not buying in or schematics, it's on coaching for not putting the players in position to win based off what they do well. They are doing exactly what they said they wouldn't. Fitting square peg in round hole.
I'm a Riley supporter but to sit back and allow his OC to call games the way he has is disturbing.. I can't stomach the stupidity of such a seasoned coaching staff. It really gives merit to why so many are skeptical about MR. Coaching has been down right bad at times and worst of all it seems the coach is in to making friends with his players instead of leading this program.
 
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