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Fire 'em Now, Save Three Years: New What the Husk

I'm not so certain that we got MR because no one with a respectable resume would want the job, rather, it was a sign of how little effort was put in to a coach search. I feel like we have the resources, facilities, history and fan base to draw big name coaches just like highly touted recruits, if we had competent staff who could recruit.

We are not a dead program, nor are we close to it. We just need to clean house from top to bottom. Put the right people in place and this program would flourish again. We need to be wiling to invest much more in a coach who knows how to win and has a history of success. Not some old guy who is nearing retirement, whose drive to win just doesn't seem to be there anymore and is infecting our team.
 
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Question though. IF Riley were to be canned after one season, one would think we really, REALLY need to make the homerun hire, as we'll be paying 2 fired coaches off for some time.

Who is that hire? Open the checkbook for Herman? Narduzzi?
 
Child of the Corn said:
I'm not so certain that we got MR because no one with a respectable resume would want the job, rather, it was a sign of how little effort was put in to a coach search. I feel like we have the resources, facilities, history and fan base to draw big name coaches just like highly touted recruits, if we had competent staff who could recruit.

We are not a dead program, nor are we close to it. We just need to clean house from top to bottom. Put the right people in place and this program would flourish again. We need to be wiling to invest much more in a coach who knows how to win and has a history of success. Not some old guy who is nearing retirement, whose drive to win just doesn't seem to be there anymore and is infecting our team.
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Well put. That was about the only thing I didn't agree with in Beav's article.
 
Child of the Corn said:
I'm not so certain that we got MR because no one with a respectable resume would want the job, rather, it was a sign of how little effort was put in to a coach search. I feel like we have the resources, facilities, history and fan base to draw big name coaches just like highly touted recruits, if we had competent staff who could recruit.
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If they were turned down and nobody would admit it...how would you know the difference?

This exemplifies my point. WE all think NU is the kind of place that marquee coaches and players just want to come to, all we have to do is unlock the door and let them in. The facts are staring us in the face and saying that's not the case.

Turns out there's no program where you can just sit back and let the wins roll in. Takes a ton of hard work at all levels.
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St. Anger said:
Question though. IF Riley were to be canned after one season, one would think we really, REALLY need to make the homerun hire, as we'll be paying 2 fired coaches off for some time.

Who is that hire? Open the checkbook for Herman? Narduzzi?
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Herman...no doubt-it would be a year late, but he would fit better at Nebraska than a lot of other places. It seems more defensive coaches at the college level that just don't seem to work out as head coaches. Stoops and Saban are good and there are others I am probably overlooking, but most of the new successful hires seem to be offensive minded. Muschamp and Pelini seemed like can't miss hires at the time.
 
Herman is probably the best fit but I don't see how we land him even if the regents stage a surprise coup and fire everyone. He's probably at the top of the Texas list and he's already down there
 
TheBeav815 said:
As some of you know, I like to write from time to time. I wrote a little something about the current state of Husker football.

http://whatthehusk.blogspot.com/2015/11/fire-em-now-save-three-years.html
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Good work overall. I liked a lot of what you wrote and agree with most of it, especially the parts about Riley's past and how it led to these results. I also agree with your viewpoint on running the ball.

One thing I would like to call out though is the early part about Bo needing to be fired. We agree that the last few years were a bad situation but few, if any, have discussed how Harvey and Shawn influenced the creation of that environment along with Bo. I'm not going to sit here and say that Bo should be absolved of all responsibility - he certainly made decisions and took action that were beneath his position. That being said, Harvey took his legs out by publicly reprimanding him over the 2010 A&M game and it went downhill from there. How many Chancellors do you ever see commenting on the sideline actions of the HC? I cannot remember another example. There is a reason for that - it is the AD's job. When HP interjected himself into that situation, he let Bo know that he DIDN'T have his back. It spiraled down from there.

Bo knew that Tom always had his back but when the $1M AD was hired(without consulting Tom even though it was promised he would), Bo knew what he was up against and it lead to more outbursts. Consider the timeline. First, taped outburst was in 2011 after Bo complained about the "fair weather" fans who left the game before the largest comeback in Husker history.[It's important to note here that Bo never called out all of the fans, it was SPECIFICALLY about those who left early]. Second taped outburst after he was fired was culmination of being HC in an environment where his boss rarely if ever spoke to him and provided little support at all. Again, Bo is responsible for his actions. I just think there is more to the story than the "Bo is a fill in the blank" narrative so often promoted on this forum and I wish it was more balanced. I don't condone some of the way Bo conducted himself or some of the language he used at times. That being said, he spoke honestly and I believe accurately in both of those outbursts.

I know many here don't agree with me and that's fine. I've given much thought about the entire situation ever since that A&M game(one which I attended - one of the biggest screw jobs ever!!!) and have come to these conclusions on my own while listening to many others present their thoughts. I will continue to fight the idea that HP and SE are not the problem. They are the problem and it won't get better until they are gone.
 
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Hard work and effort is an obvious answer. Seems we've had leadership for a number of years that didn't want to go that extra mile. Our recent coaching staffs have either been lazy or just not as gifted at drawing top recruits as others around the country. Obviously, our situation now doesn't help. Under new leadership direction, I've seen lesser schools get transformed. I've seen lesser schools able to draw amazing talent and it makes you scratch your head, what is it they have to offer that we don't? When you know it's not what we have to offer a coaching staff or a student athlete in the form of resources and academics, the only thing that remains is the people we put in charge of leadership roles in the AD to claim responsibility.
 
Big Red Menace said:
Good work overall. I liked a lot of what you wrote and agree with most of it, especially the parts about Riley's past and how it led to these results. I also agree with your viewpoint on running the ball.

One thing I would like to call out though is the early part about Bo needing to be fired. We agree that the last few years were a bad situation but few, if any, have discussed how Harvey and Shawn influenced the creation of that environment along with Bo. I'm not going to sit here and say that Bo should be absolved of all responsibility - he certainly made decisions and took action that were beneath his position. That being said, Harvey took his legs out by publicly reprimanding him over the 2010 A&M game and it went downhill from there. How many Chancellors do you ever see commenting on the sideline actions of the HC? I cannot remember another example. There is a reason for that - it is the AD's job. When HP interjected himself into that situation, he let Bo know that he DIDN'T have his back. It spiraled down from there.

Bo knew that Tom always had his back but when the $1M AD was hired(without consulting Tom even though it was promised he would), Bo knew what he was up against and it lead to more outbursts. Consider the timeline. First, taped outburst was in 2011 after Bo complained about the "fair weather" fans who left the game before the largest comeback in Husker history.[It's important to note here that Bo never called out all of the fans, it was SPECIFICALLY about those who left early]. Second taped outburst after he was fired was culmination of being HC in an environment where his boss rarely if ever spoke to him and provided little support at all. Again, Bo is responsible for his actions. I just think there is more to the story than the "Bo is a fill in the blank" narrative so often promoted on this forum and I wish it was more balanced. I don't condone some of the way Bo conducted himself or some of the language he used at times. That being said, he spoke honestly and I believe accurately in both of those outbursts.

I know many here don't agree with me and that's fine. I've given much thought about the entire situation ever since that A&M game(one which I attended - one of the biggest screw jobs ever!!!) and have come to these conclusions on my own while listening to many others present their thoughts. I will continue to fight the idea that HP and SE are not the problem. They are the problem and it won't get better until they are gone.
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No. Dude is a mediocre coach. Harvey Perlman didn't set an NCAA rushing record on Bo's defense. Melvin Gordon did. Peddle that excuse elsewhere.

The fact that Pelini is a nutjob is an unfortunate aside. It's not the reason he got fired. He got fired because he couldn't beat good teams. Period.
 
If you want to judge Nebraska head coaching hires before Riley - ask yourself - were are they now? That alone confirm we are not good at making head coaching decisions. Time to figure out a way to fix that.
 
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TheBeav815 said:
As some of you know, I like to write from time to time. I wrote a little something about the current state of Husker football.
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I did like your article. This is more fact-finding that trying to pick a fight, as I haven't been over-the-top with Riley from day 1. If we were able to land that perfect fit coach, we could do whatever we want. I'm still thinking our best move is to keep Riley for more than one year, as a means to an end. Some of my family raise cattle, you would never want to sell your cattle before you maximize profits or minimize your losses.

Pro's to Firing Riley Now
-The program can get worse than what we are seeing now. I don't believe that players have whole-scale given up,....yet. The fans are still mostly going to games and have interest. I don't want to see the program hit rock bottom.
-What we are seeing does not appear to be top notch coaching.
-Recruiting while it appears better than Pelini's, it's still close enough to compare as "apples to apples".
-I'm not a big Tom Osborne fan, but agree to some extent of a running game to win at college football. I see nothing that indicates a strong running game is anything more than a soundbite to these coaches.
-I doubt Riley can get a job anywhere else as a head coach. Some of his good assistants might be convinced to stay in a new regime.

Con's to Firing Riley Now
-Is a first year fire unforgivable in the coaching ranks? I don't know. I tend to think that money talks, but if a coach is out there with "good enough" pay in a nice or comfortable situation I don't see them leaving, especially if they are coming to a meat grinder.
-Is our roster thin now? I don't know the numbers and how they compare to other years, but it seems like we cut loose quite a few guys. And rumor mill is indicating more to be gone. Throw in a staff being fired and a recruiting class dissolving, our roster will be an absolute disaster for years to come.
-We really don't know how well Riley will do with his own players in future years. I don't see unlimited potential here, but I don't see complete disaster either.
-Whoever we hire would have to come in and pick up the pieces. We'll be transitioning from a transition, that has the making of never before seen at NU train wreck.

Just like some of my family, they don't love or idolize the cattle, they serve a purpose. And they hold onto those cattle for maximum gain. I still think we're better off keeping the current staff around for at least another year.
 
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No. Dude is a mediocre coach. Harvey Perlman didn't set an NCAA rushing record on Bo's defense. Melvin Gordon did. Peddle that excuse elsewhere.

The fact that Pelini is a nutjob is an unfortunate aside. It's not the reason he got fired. He got fired because he couldn't beat good teams. Period.
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Some like him, some don't but Cowherd does have some points here.

 
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He's right about NU not being that desirable of a job. We think it is, but the difficulty of the recent coaching searches suggests it's not in the eyes of coaches.
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Yep. He's also right that a lot of coaches don't win as many big games as we think they do. Now Urban and Saban are a little bit different, but some of the names rattled off would surprise you. Although it stings, I think it is a spot on analysis of where we are currently at.
 
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Some like him, some don't but Cowherd does have some points here.

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No ones saying we are going to get a coach like Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, but we don't have to be that stepping stone for coaches in training hiring coordinators for HC. Also, if we wanted to hire a coach with a mediocre resume, we still could have done better than MR....jus sayin.
 
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He's right about NU not being that desirable of a job. We think it is, but the difficulty of the recent coaching searches suggests it's not in the eyes of coaches.
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I think this is pretty accurate, in my opinion. Nebraska checks in as the #17 best job in college.

17. Nebraska

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Pros: Strong tradition. Amazing facilities. Passionate fans. Those three things don’t guarantee success, but they are a nice place to start. The Big Ten West Division has some good programs — Iowa and Wisconsin — but Nebraska should be in position to compete for a division title on an annual basis.

Cons: The Huskers won three national titles in the 1990s, but the program slipped a bit over the past decade. The state of Nebraska does not produce many high-end BCS conference players each year, and the program no longer has the sex-appeal to steal elite players from the East Coast like it did in the 1970s and 80s.

Final Verdict: Nebraska is a unique coaching position. You have everything in place to win big — except a local recruiting base. How big is that hurdle? Significant but not insurmountable. The Huskers are no longer a top-10 job but still very desirable.

- See more at: http://athlonsports.com/college-foo...tball-coaching-jobs-2014#sthash.wM5kEeUC.dpuf
 
Child of the Corn said:
No ones saying we are going to get a coach like Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, but we don't have to be that stepping stone for coaches in training hiring coordinators for HC. Also, if we wanted to hire a coach with a mediocre resume, we still could have done better than MR....jus sayin.
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Agree, but that is what the perception is outside of NU. We don't think that way because we are tied to the coaches in a way deeper way. Gotta agree with Colin at this point although Bo needed to go.
 
leodisflowers said:
Yep. He's also right that a lot of coaches don't win as many big games as we think they do. Now Urban and Saban are a little bit different, but some of the names rattled off would surprise you. Although it stings, I think it is a spot on analysis of where we are currently at.
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It wasn't about not winning big games...it was about HOW Nebraska was getting beat in a lot of those games-where they didn't look competitive. At the end of the day, Bo didn't win championships...but his personality was one of the big reasons he was cut loose.
 
Nebraska Gator II said:
I think this is pretty accurate, in my opinion. Nebraska checks in as the #17 best job in college.

17. Nebraska

nebraska-cornhuskers.png
Pros: Strong tradition. Amazing facilities. Passionate fans. Those three things don’t guarantee success, but they are a nice place to start. The Big Ten West Division has some good programs — Iowa and Wisconsin — but Nebraska should be in position to compete for a division title on an annual basis.

Cons: The Huskers won three national titles in the 1990s, but the program slipped a bit over the past decade. The state of Nebraska does not produce many high-end BCS conference players each year, and the program no longer has the sex-appeal to steal elite players from the East Coast like it did in the 1970s and 80s.

Final Verdict: Nebraska is a unique coaching position. You have everything in place to win big — except a local recruiting base. How big is that hurdle? Significant but not insurmountable. The Huskers are no longer a top-10 job but still very desirable.

- See more at: http://athlonsports.com/college-foo...tball-coaching-jobs-2014#sthash.wM5kEeUC.dpuf
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If you have the assets in place to win and you do start winning, that number gets closer to top 10. If we weren't that desirable of a job after several years of underachieving, you think that number would be more like 25-30 range. The point is, national perception is that we still have what it takes to win and be relevant, maybe not in our current condition but if the right changes are made.
 
Nebraska Gator II said:
It wasn't about not winning big games...it was about HOW Nebraska was getting beat in a lot of those games-where they didn't look competitive. At the end of the day, Bo didn't win championships...but his personality was one of the big reasons he was cut loose.
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I agree with you, but that is the Nebraska perception, not anyone outside the program. I think there is a consensus that Bo is a lunatic outside our our program, but other than that we are looked at as canning a 9 win coach. I worked on the West Coast for years and am now in Texas and hear the same thing from folks who don't know much about Nebraska; that is why the heck would you get rid of another 9 win coach who was close? Especially down here in Big 12 country, they point to our loss against Texas and OU in the title games.
 
Child of the Corn said:
If you have the assets in place to win and you do start winning, that number gets closer to top 10. If we weren't that desirable of a job after several years of underachieving, you think that number would be more like 25-30 range. The point is, national perception is that we still have what it takes to win and be relevant, maybe not in our current condition but if the right changes are made.
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Absolutely correct.
 
leodisflowers said:
Who thinks this? I mean really? Have you watched any college football shows? I don't think anyone thinks we have what it takes. I think they think we have a chance to build a program of 8 to 9 wins and should be content. Take off the blinders until something changes.
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What is wrong with that? 8-9 wins a year is pretty good, unless you have an elite coach. That is why Pelini had one of the best winning percentages during his time as a head coach. Pelini was a d-bag and a bad recruiter. Just think if he had just a little better personality and had a staff that could capitalize on the success on the field with good recruiting classes...Nebraska would likely be in good shape right now.

The things I think are most important for having a successful program:
Resources
Fan Base
Facilities
Location
History

Nebraska would have a check mark on everything except location-which is a big deal, but can be overcome (look at how well Cally recruited). Coaches have proved you can win at Nebraska and coaches have proved you can recruit elite players at Nebraska. Just need the right coach that can do both.
 
The whole mantra that Nebraska isn't a "desirable job" is BS in my opinion. If Saban left Alabama would it be a desirable job? Because before he was hired it wasn't. The national media said it wasn't a good job and I remember watching one of Shula's last games on CBS and the announcers even said Alabama isn't a good job. They had brought up the high turnover of coaches, the poor recruiting and all the losing seasons. They said it would take years and years to right the ship and many coaches wouldn't want that task. Funny how quickly the right coach turned it around and suddenly, the Bama job is considered one of the best in the country.

Nebraska doesn't appear to be a good job solely because the few previous coaches here didn't get the job done. That doesn't mean the job can't be done.
 
vs540husker said:
The whole mantra that Nebraska isn't a "desirable job" is BS in my opinion. If Saban left Alabama would it be a desirable job? Because before he was hired it wasn't. The national media said it wasn't a good job and I remember watching one of Shula's last games on CBS and the announcers even said Alabama isn't a good job. They had brought up the high turnover of coaches, the poor recruiting and all the losing seasons. They said it would take years and years to right the ship and many coaches wouldn't want that task. Funny how quickly the right coach turned it around and suddenly, the Bama job is considered one of the best in the country.

Nebraska doesn't appear to be a good job solely because the few previous coaches here didn't get the job done. That doesn't mean the job can't be done.
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Alabama has always been a top 5 job in the country and always will be. They may have been talking that a new coach might have to rebuild it a little, but it was always a top job.
 
St. Anger said:
Question though. IF Riley were to be canned after one season, one would think we really, REALLY need to make the homerun hire, as we'll be paying 2 fired coaches off for some time.

Who is that hire? Open the checkbook for Herman? Narduzzi?
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It would also send the message that we're done forking around and are serious about turning things around.
 
Nebraska Gator II said:
Herman...no doubt-it would be a year late, but he would fit better at Nebraska than a lot of other places. It seems more defensive coaches at the college level that just don't seem to work out as head coaches. Stoops and Saban are good and there are others I am probably overlooking, but most of the new successful hires seem to be offensive minded. Muschamp and Pelini seemed like can't miss hires at the time.
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Pelini seemed like a can't miss hire? That gave me a chuckle.
 
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I enjoyed it alot. Fewer GIFs though. Your writings strong enough without.
 
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