Fat coaches

[bigboxes]

There's an article on espn.com about Rex and Rob Ryan and their removal of lap bands. What a cop out! Eat better, increase activity and stop drinking beer! You should be embarrassed to be a coach of a professional team and be that fat. If you want your players to be disciplined then you have to show them you can do the same.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

This thread should end well....

 

[bigboxes]

This thread should end well....

C'mon. Those guys did not get fat due to genetics. They reached a point in their adult life and stopped working out, they kept eating and drinking like they were back in college and BAM! Everyone wants an easy fix, whether it be a pill or a surgery. How about changing your lifestyle?

 

[walnut creek]

There's an article on espn.com about Rex and Rob Ryan and their removal of lap bands. What a cop out! Eat better, increase activity and stop drinking beer! You should be embarrassed to be a coach of a professional team and be that fat. If you want your players to be disciplined then you have to show them you can do the same.

Looks like furniture disease. You know where the chest er drops to your drawers.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Rob Ryan is the most overrated coach in NFL history. Every defense he coaches eventually turns to sh!t.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

Speaking of fat coaches, where is King front but Charlie Weis? And Mangino? They eat a small country together ?

 

[HuskerBorn]

Speaking of fat coaches, where is King front but Charlie Weis? And Mangino? They eat a small country together ?

Man, i am literally laughing out loud at this thread! King Front Butt when describing Charlie the Hutt is as funny as anything i have heard in a long time. Just the title of this thread made me laugh really hard because there are so many Fat Coaches to pick from! Bret Bielema came to mind right away, he is on the verge of going to year round 24/7 sweat pants.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Legit story I've had told to me by multiple SEPARATE people in the coaching fraternity about Mangino while he was at Kansas:

Every time he took a dump(in his own individual bathroom), because he could not reach around to wipe his own @ss afterward, he would wipe with a TOWEL, shimmy-style, and then discard the towel for someone else to wash afterward and put back into the sh!t-towel stack.

 

[iROOT4nu]

Some people don't make fitness their priority. I won't judge them on their appearance, but one has to look in the mirror and say enough is enough. Unfortunatly that mirror is replaced by cheeseburgers and pizza and milkshakes.

 

[saluno22]

C'mon. Those guys did not get fat due to genetics. They reached a point in their adult life and stopped working out, they kept eating and drinking like they were back in college and BAM! Everyone wants an easy fix, whether it be a pill or a surgery. How about changing your lifestyle?

Sounds like you are describing me to a "t". I wouldn't have admitted it a couple years ago, and to me it was all about payoff.

Coming out of college, I was working 60- to 80-hour weeks, grabbing fast food for most meals, never exercising. I figured I was young and should push myself to work as much OT as possible if my boss would approve it while I was still capable. Well, before I knew it I was about 315 and stressed out of my mind. Eventually, I started waking up with my heart just pounding in the middle of the night and decided enough was enough. I had tried just exercising before, would lose a little weight, but then put it back on when I got busy again because I didn't change my diet. Diet plays probably a much larger role in your health than exercise. Obviously, the two go hand in hand, and I'm not saying I don't indulge in a cheeseburger, pizza, or shake from time to time, but that food can't be a staple of your diet. And it's not just calorie counting either. Certain calories are better than others. I bet most overweight people who drink multiple cans of pop a day would drop 15 lbs or so in a month of not drinking it and doing nothing else. I'm no nutritionist, but learned plenty from a boatload of Netflix documentaries. I still lack discipline more than I'd like to admit, but I make sure at work and at home I have fruit or almonds nearby so when I get hungry between meals, I have to make the choice to not eat a healthier, more convenient option. Between eating healthy and exercising regularly (not even that intense), I've gotten myself into the 200-210 range. But most importantly, I feel a lot better. As a penny pincher, I cringe when I see my grocery total because healthy food is more expensive, but it's a choice that I've decided to make.

There's a lot of reasons people become fat. Stress, economic, time/obligations, lack of discipline, or frankly not caring, leading to eating poorly and not exercising. I'm guessing for some of these overweight coaches it's a combination of the time and stress of coaching, wanting to be the best, and/or a disregard for what they are doing to their health because of the payoff they receive (or a "I've been doing this for this long and been successful, why would I change" mentality).

 

[bigboxes]

Sounds like you are describing me to a "t". I wouldn't have admitted it a couple years ago, and to me it was all about payoff.

Coming out of college, I was working 60- to 80-hour weeks, grabbing fast food for most meals, never exercising. I figured I was young and should push myself to work as much OT as possible if my boss would approve it while I was still capable. Well, before I knew it I was about 315 and stressed out of my mind. Eventually, I started waking up with my heart just pounding in the middle of the night and decided enough was enough. I had tried just exercising before, would lose a little weight, but then put it back on when I got busy again because I didn't change my diet. Diet plays probably a much larger role in your health than exercise. Obviously, the two go hand in hand, and I'm not saying I don't indulge in a cheeseburger, pizza, or shake from time to time, but that food can't be a staple of your diet. And it's not just calorie counting either. Certain calories are better than others. I bet most overweight people who drink multiple cans of pop a day would drop 15 lbs or so in a month of not drinking it and doing nothing else. I'm no nutritionist, but learned plenty from a boatload of Netflix documentaries. I still lack discipline more than I'd like to admit, but I make sure at work and at home I have fruit or almonds nearby so when I get hungry between meals, I have to make the choice to not eat a healthier, more convenient option. Between eating healthy and exercising regularly (not even that intense), I've gotten myself into the 200-210 range. But most importantly, I feel a lot better. As a penny pincher, I cringe when I see my grocery total because healthy food is more expensive, but it's a choice that I've decided to make.

There's a lot of reasons people become fat. Stress, economic, time/obligations, lack of discipline, or frankly not caring, leading to eating poorly and not exercising. I'm guessing for some of these overweight coaches it's a combination of the time and stress of coaching, wanting to be the best, and/or a disregard for what they are doing to their health because of the payoff they receive (or a "I've been doing this for this long and been successful, why would I change" mentality).

Heck, I'm describing me to a "t". As I posted early this year, I personally lost 50 lbs. from September to February. Nothing was given to me. I worked my butt off to get to where I am. I did 30 minutes on the treadmill this morning. Did another 45 this evening before dinner. I'm not working out as much as I was when I was losing weight. I was determined. Now, I just want to be active and enjoy my food. If I eat a burger or pizza I can enjoy it knowing that the next night I'll make some fish.

Congrats on your lifestyle change. I don't think I'm picking on the Ryans. I see that and it's beyond working hard and not enough time for exercise. It's gluttony. They should have reached the point of disgust a long time ago. I get that the lap band did not work for Rob. He should start walking. He's around all those young bucks all the time. Maybe he should put in some workouts of his own. It sucks at first, but you soon start feeling better.

 

[nu2u]

Bret Bielema has basically thrown in the towel, I think. He now coaches games in what looks like a bedsheet with a middle zipper. I'm guessing 350-360, Fried chicken and biscuits, extra gravy. His wife is fine, maybe 125 pounds. You do the math.

 

[HuskerO]

Legit story I've had told to me by multiple SEPARATE people in the coaching fraternity about Mangino while he was at Kansas:

Every time he took a dump(in his own individual bathroom), because he could not reach around to wipe his own @ss afterward, he would wipe with a TOWEL, shimmy-style, and then discard the towel for someone else to wash afterward and put back into the sh!t-towel stack.

Funny because I've heard of this too.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

Funny because I've heard of this too.

It's true. For that and MANY other reasons, the people down there hated him more than most Nebraskans hated BO. His firing had little to do with him being a big fat meanie to his players at practice.

 

[Bugeater]

There's an article on espn.com about Rex and Rob Ryan and their removal of lap bands. What a cop out! Eat better, increase activity and stop drinking beer! You should be embarrassed to be a coach of a professional team and be that fat. If you want your players to be disciplined then you have to show them you can do the same.

Vince Lombardi smoked and was not in the best of shape when he coached, think that mattered to his players? Bob Devaney smoked for awhile, like to drink some, and probably wasn't the picture of health at his peak in the early 70's. Don Shula had a bit of a gut hanging out and smoked when he was coaching Super Bowl teams, same with John Madden. And of course, there a quite a few coaches today including the above pictured that aren't in great shape by any means. It is what it is.

 

[nu2u]

It is what it is.

Obese

 

[Hoosker Du]

Our own Cav could stand to drop a few. Hank Hughes may as well have been called Hank Huge.

 

[WHCSC]

Diet plays probably a much larger role in your health than exercise

Not probably

 

[huskerfan1414]

Rob Ryan is the most overrated coach in NFL history. Every defense he coaches eventually turns to sh!t.

I couldn't agree more.
Rex is overrated as well IMO but not near as much as Rob. I don't know how he gets so many jobs...well other than his bro hiring him.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I think some of it has to do with lifestyle, but some also has to do with the food here. Much of the stuff in the grocery store isn't healthy for you.

Not too long ago, I went on a trip overseas, and what was remarkable was the series of flights home. Not only did the people get louder and much more 'mouthy' (esp women, sorry ladies) but also much more fatter. When I landed in Chicago, it was major fat city. Everywhere you looked. It's a big problem.

 

[GretnaShawn]

I think some of it has to do with lifestyle, but some also has to do with the food here. Much of the stuff in the grocery store isn't healthy for you.

Not too long ago, I went on a trip overseas, and what was remarkable was the series of flights home. Not only did the people get louder and much more 'mouthy' (esp women, sorry ladies) but also much more fatter. When I landed in Chicago, it was major fat city. Everywhere you looked. It's a big problem.

My sphere of friends, family and coworkers are relatively in shape people. And by that, I mean nobody is obese. I have some people that could stand to lose 15-20 lbs, but no one is gross and many are very fit. So it always boggles my mind when I hear about the obesity epidemic.... And then I go to the zoo. Then I get it. There are tons of people that need to lose weight.

What is funny about it is that, like previous people have stated in the thread, it's just diet and exercise. There is no secret. You just have to want to.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Not probably

If you are trying to lose weight, diet is the number one issue. You could work out every day and it would not matter if you do not watch what you eat and how much. Conversely you would still lose weight if you limited your calories and did no exercise.

 

[GretnaShawn]

If you are trying to lose weight, diet is the number one issue. You could work out every day and it would not matter if you do not watch what you eat and how much. Conversely you would still lose weight if you limited your calories and did no exercise.

Exactly. It is math. Calories in, calories burned.

 

[jrhuskerdad]

What is funny about it is that, like previous people have stated in the thread, it's just diet and exercise. There is no secret. You just have to want to.

It's not that simple. Gut microbes (bacteria and fungi we have in our intestines) also play a huge role. The cells in our bodies are actually outnumbered by microorganisms in our bodies by about 10:1.

Experiments have been conducted where scientists have taken gut microbes from an obese mouse and placed them in a non-obese mouse. The non-obese mouse subsequently will become obese. Clearly there is more going on than diet and exercise.

Here's more:

Obesity results from an imbalance between energy intake and expenditure. While genetic factors clearly contribute to control of the physiologic response to caloric excess, and hence to the development and maintenance of obesity [102], the dramatic rise in obesity prevalence over the past decades has, appropriately, turned attention towards the environment. Greater control of ambient temperature, increased sedentariness and the ubiquitous presence of cheap, high-calorie foods have all been implicated as important causal factors [83] and [89]. While these conditions are likely contributory to a greater or lesser extent, the twinned observations that obesity may be associated with gut microbiome configuration in humans [122] and that obesity phenotypes can be transmitted via the gut microbiota in rodent models of obesity [123] have focused attention on the role of the gut microbiome in the development of obesity.

You can read more here: link

 

[TheBeav815]

It's not that simple. Gut microbes (bacteria and fungi we have in our intestines) also play a huge role. The cells in our bodies are actually outnumbered by microorganisms in our bodies by about 10:1.

Experiments have been conducted where scientists have taken gut microbes from an obese mouse and placed them in a non-obese mouse. The non-obese mouse subsequently will become obese. Clearly there is more going on than diet and exercise.

Here's more:

Obesity results from an imbalance between energy intake and expenditure. While genetic factors clearly contribute to control of the physiologic response to caloric excess, and hence to the development and maintenance of obesity [102], the dramatic rise in obesity prevalence over the past decades has, appropriately, turned attention towards the environment. Greater control of ambient temperature, increased sedentariness and the ubiquitous presence of cheap, high-calorie foods have all been implicated as important causal factors [83] and [89]. While these conditions are likely contributory to a greater or lesser extent, the twinned observations that obesity may be associated with gut microbiome configuration in humans [122] and that obesity phenotypes can be transmitted via the gut microbiota in rodent models of obesity [123] have focused attention on the role of the gut microbiome in the development of obesity.

You can read more here: link

Don't buy into that garbage. While one study on mice (are you a mouse?) suggests that may play a role in how easily one may store/burn calories, you can't get fat without eating the calories. It all comes down to this:

Calories in > calories out = Gain weight

Calories in < calories out = Lose weight

It takes 3,500 calories over what you burn to make a pound of fat. That's a lot of food. And it takes a hell of a lot of exercise to burn 3,500 calories.

I myself am carrying around 15-20 pounds of soft weight I didn't used to have and let me tell you, age, testosterone, gut microbes, all that BS ain't what did it to me. Sitting on my ass at a desk all day and then sitting on my ass on a couch all night is what did it to me. I switched from a very active job to sitting at a computer all day and didn't change my eating habits. It took a couple years, but I'm getting flabby.

I started exercising more and the weight still wasn't going away. Why? Because I'd come home from the gym and go, "Oh well I worked out so I can eat dinner like I'm a lumberjack and then I'll have a big bowl of ice cream right before I go to sleep! I earned it!"

It doesn't work like that. And let me tell you if you're just doing cardio and thinking you're gonna change your life without changing your diet, you're wasting your time. You gotta run like hell to burn 500 or 700 calories. Get one medium soda with a meal and you just canceled all that running.

 

[jrhuskerdad]

Don't buy into that garbage. While one study on mice (are you a mouse?) suggests that may play a role in

You don't buy into science? There's no debate to be had if you don't believe in science.

Nobody is saying calories or exercise don't play a role. The science indicates that it's not that simple and goes beyond just caloric intake and exercise.

And it's not just in mice...

The human gut microbiome has been linked to the obesity epidemic [24, 52, 53, 54, 55].

link

Here's an interesting short video on "How our microbes make us who we are"

 

[jteten]

I can write a weight loss book in one page.

Eat less. Eat well.

Hell, you dont even have to work out to lose weight. Just dont eat and drink like crazy. Its that simple. Dont give me the needing to eat to jumpstart metabolism stuff. Thats justification. Just Eat Less and Eat Better. Quite simple.

 

[TheBeav815]

You don't buy into science? There's no debate to be had if you don't believe in science.

Nobody is saying calories or exercise don't play a role. The science indicates that it's not that simple and goes beyond just caloric intake and exercise.

And it's not just in mice...

The human gut microbiome has been linked to the obesity epidemic [24, 52, 53, 54, 55].

link

Here's an interesting short video on "How our microbes make us who we are"

I buy into science but I also as a necessary ride-along buy into statistics. Which is why I say, as studies always must, that there may be a causal relationship there. But again, that same study also points out to the likely role of environmental factors such as increasingly sedentary lifestyle (decrease in calorie output) and increase in cheap & easy calorie input. We don't have a fantastic way to tease apart all that information and set up a true, double-blind, controlled experiment where we lock people in a lab for 90 days and manipulate their gut biome, strictly control their food intake and energy output, etc. in such a controlled, measured way that we can say the only difference was the microbes.

The reason I react harshly to things like that isn't because they're wholly untrue, but because you see them propped up as reasons why people should just give up and be fat and sad until they finally die of complication of obesity. And there's not reason that needs to happen. There are too many people out there who have lost hundreds of pounds, and they'll all tell you the same thing: I had to really increase how active I was and really decrease how much I ate.

I'll tell you anecdotally that I'm a big fan of popping a probiotic if you're suffering from a case of the ol' exploding butt. Fixes that right on up for you. I'm all for the value of a healthy and diverse gut biome.

HOWEVER, I don't care how great the cultures from your poop are, if you eat 4K calories a day and only burn 2K calories a day, you're gonna get fat. And that's not just me blowing smoke, that's what the science on the matter says. I used to work for the American Dietetic Association (now Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics) and I have several RD friends.

 

[jrhuskerdad]

I buy into science but I also as a necessary ride-along buy into statistics. Which is why I say, as studies always must, that there may be a causal relationship there. But again, that same study also points out to the likely role of environmental factors such as increasingly sedentary lifestyle (decrease in calorie output) and increase in cheap & easy calorie input. We don't have a fantastic way to tease apart all that information and set up a true, double-blind, controlled experiment where we lock people in a lab for 90 days and manipulate their gut biome, strictly control their food intake and energy output, etc. in such a controlled, measured way that we can say the only difference was the microbes.

The reason I react harshly to things like that isn't because they're wholly untrue, but because you see them propped up as reasons why people should just give up and be fat and sad until they finally die of complication of obesity. And there's not reason that needs to happen. There are too many people out there who have lost hundreds of pounds, and they'll all tell you the same thing: I had to really increase how active I was and really decrease how much I ate.

I'll tell you anecdotally that I'm a big fan of popping a probiotic if you're suffering from a case of the ol' exploding butt. Fixes that right on up for you. I'm all for the value of a healthy and diverse gut biome.

HOWEVER, I don't care how great the cultures from your poop are, if you eat 4K calories a day and only burn 2K calories a day, you're gonna get fat. And that's not just me blowing smoke, that's what the science on the matter says. I used to work for the American Dietetic Association (now Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics) and I have several RD friends.

I stand by my original statement and reasoning that there is more to obesity than calories and exercise, which was said in response to the comment made by another poster that it's "just diet and exercise." That comment is categorically false and I felt compelled to refute it. I think you have misconstrued what I said and projected your feelings and past experiences on me. I've provided links to reliable sources of information that others can use to educate themselves, and that's where I'll leave it.

And since we're qualifying ourselves, I'm a biochemistry professor at a BigTen university and so are several of my friends.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I say if you want to talk about fat people go back to the crossfit gym and talk away with other people who give a shit. There you can pat each other on the back, talk about how many calories you've burned, what you eat and the beauty is, there, people actually give a flip.

 

[TheBeav815]

I stand by my original statement and reasoning that there is more to obesity than calories and exercise, which was said in response to the comment made by another poster that it's "just diet and exercise." That comment is categorically false and I felt compelled to refute it. I think you have misconstrued what I said and projected your feelings and past experiences on me. I've provided links to reliable sources of information that others can use to educate themselves, and that's where I'll leave it.

And since we're qualifying ourselves, I'm a biochemistry professor at a BigTen university and so are several of my friends.

This being the internet, I feel we should carry on for many more posts in disagreeing about the ways in which we're basically saying the same thing.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

I say if you want to talk about fat people go back to the crossfit gym and talk away with other people who give a shit. There you can pat each other on the back, talk about how many calories you've burned, what you eat and the beauty is, there, people actually give a flip.

It took a few more posts than I thought it would, but there it is!!!!

FYI, I don't care. Not poking fun of you, it just seemed like this thread had the potential to go where it went.

 

[TheBeav815]

It took a few more posts than I thought it would, but there it is!!!!

FYI, I don't care. Not poking fun of you, it just seemed like this thread had the potential to go where it went.

 

[jrhuskerdad]

This being the internet, I feel we should carry on for many more posts in disagreeing about the ways in which we're basically saying the same thing.

damn rabbit holes

 

[Cloud@Heart]

No wonder I feel more obese in MT, than when I head home to NE.......... Even after dropping 32lbs since bigboxes posted 8 months or so ago!

Prevalence¶ of Self-Reported Obesity Among U.S. Adults by State and Territory, BRFSS, 2015
¶Prevalence estimates reflect BRFSS methodological changes started in 2011. These estimates should not be compared to prevalence estimates before 2011.

 

[bigboxes]

No wonder I feel more obese in MT, than when I head home to NE.......... Even after dropping 32lbs since bigboxes posted 8 months or so ago!

Congrats! Did I help inspire you?

 

[wcbrooks]

 

[Cloud@Heart]

Congrats! Did I help inspire you?

There were lots of bricks laid to that foundation...... the foundation to build a new lifestyle. And yes you were one of them! I was going to give props to you when I hit my goal of 40lbs and officially no longer being a heavyweight and moving down into the 215lb weight class (I know its now 220 in high school, but it used to be 215!).

Thanks for posting your journey and your success on this site!

 

[bigboxes]

There were lots of bricks laid to that foundation...... the foundation to build a new lifestyle. And yes you were one of them! I was going to give props to you when I hit my goal of 40lbs and officially no longer being a heavyweight and moving down into the 215lb weight class (I know its now 220 in high school, but it used to be 215!).

Thanks for posting your journey and your success on this site!

Awesome!

 

[ehenningsen]

I changed my diet very little. I started doing hours of additional walking every day... my entire weight change has been determined by movement. I now average 22-25k steps a day and have a personal record of 60k in a day and 320k in a week.

Started March 2013 at 270
October of 2013 at 180
August of 2014 at 158

Then hit a bit of a roller coaster
December of 2014 at 175
February of 2015 at 160
June of 2015 at 185
September of 2015 at 160
January of 2016 at 175

Since January I have dropped to 145.