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It appears we would like to take 2 DE's and 3 DT's this year. Las week it looked like we were almost done with 2 DT's and 2 DE's committed and Damion Danniels commitment imminent. Now Porcher has de-committed and Danniels is looking far from in the bag. I think we can still have a great DL class by going after Anthony Payne to take Porcher's DE spot and James Husker Lynch to take Danniels DT spot.


Anthony Payne (KSU Commit). https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/978
Life long Husker fan who wanted an offer pretty bad this Spring, also good friends with Jaevon McQuitty. He is a similar base end type to Porcher. I like Payne more, but obviously JP didnt'. I have heard we think he has physically maxed and doesn't have alot of room to grow, but that is the kind of thinking that cost us guys like Phillips, Ott and Rand.

James Lynch (USC de-commit): https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/15802
His middle name is literally Husker. Wanted a Husker offer before committing to USC, stud. I think our staff is afraid he is a little bit of a tweener like mcMullen and Stolenburg and they would prefer a big run stuffer, but the kid is a beast and a huge Husker fan.

It will be interesting to see if we go after either. If we do I like our chances to land them, Anyone else out there we might offer soon?
 
Lingenfelter will also get a shot at DL. He's got one heck of a non stop motor and plays nasty. Need that nastiness to return to Lincoln.
 
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We need a DE that is long and lanky in my opinion who has a non stop motor
 
After a complete whiff last recruiting cycle, it was imperative that the staff put together a strong class this year. There is time to turn things around, but things are not trending in a positive direction.
 
For 40-50 years, walk-ons weren't something we relied on for DE, as far as those recruited to play on that side of the ball. Till the last three seasons with Jack and Ross. I'm tired of watching that position have minimal impact in games and that includes scholarship guys too.

We need a difference maker or two off the edge in the worst way. Projects are nice, only when there's enough ability in front of them to allow development. We haven't had a difference making DE since Barry Turner and his injury cut off any stardom potential he had. Heck, I'd take a Pierre Allen right now.

It's past time for Nebraska to get difference makers there. Someone that can impact a game, not "grade out well due to sound technique".

Who they are for the 2017, outside of pipe dream Beal, I can't answer that. Sorry if this response hijacks the thread. Rant over.
 
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I don't trust much of the film on HUDL because it's "the best of" type video. I like to find complete games where you can see the failures as well. Watching film on hudl is good to see athleticism, how well the get off the ball, hip bend, hand position etc. but unless you know the opponent, you don't know who it is the prospect is dominating or the level of competition.
 
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Anthony Payne (KSU Commit). https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/978
Life long Husker fan who wanted an offer pretty bad this Spring, also good friends with Jaevon McQuitty. He is a similar base end type to Porcher. I like Payne more, but obviously JP didnt'. I have heard we think he has physically maxed and doesn't have alot of room to grow, but that is the kind of thinking that cost us guys like Phillips, Ott and Rand.
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His offer list looks a little..um...weird. A bunch of lower level schools and michigan??
 
I half wonder if they will speak with Chester Graves who has academic issues, but if we "get him in the fold" and he somehow pans out with the clearinghouse, it could be a boon for us.
 
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mpbrown27 said:
After a complete whiff last recruiting cycle, it was imperative that the staff put together a strong class this year. There is time to turn things around, but things are not trending in a positive direction.
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We whiffed on DT's last cycle, but did sign two DE's and one of them may start next year.
 
headcard said:
We whiffed on DT's last cycle, but did sign two DE's and one of them may start next year.
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Yah I really don't think its panic time yet. I would love nothing better than to have the top DE's available in the 2017 class, but I still think Parella puts together a pretty good class considering our guys were redshirt candidates anyway even at 4*.

If at worst we take Payne and Lynch, and we hold on to Thomas, we'll have *capable* players on the roster. Both are solid 3* talents with a real desire to be in Red (that may be worth something as well even though they aren't in-state prospects). This doesn't yet feel to me like a last minute Pelini grab for a warm body.

If the DL class completely falls apart, then we'll have to start drinking :)
 
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For 40-50 years, walk-ons weren't something we relied on for DE, as far as those recruited to play on that side of the ball. Till the last three seasons with Jack and Ross. I'm tired of watching that position have minimal impact in games and that includes scholarship guys too.

We need a difference maker or two off the edge in the worst way. Projects are nice, only when there's enough ability in front of them to allow development. We haven't had a difference making DE since Barry Turner and his injury cut off any stardom potential he had. Heck, I'd take a Pierre Allen right now.

It's past time for Nebraska to get difference makers there. Someone that can impact a game, not "grade out well due to sound technique".

Who they are for the 2017, outside of pipe dream Beal, I can't answer that. Sorry if this response hijacks the thread. Rant over.
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Randy Gregory was pretty dam good but I get what your saying. We use to be DE University. And looking at the total guys on scholarship, there will be 8 DE's on scholarship next year. That number actually seems pretty good if not a tad too much. However, none of them are big guys and none of them have exactly played well yet. My hope is that they are just young and something will click next year.
 
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There is a DE in Mobile Alabama I thought at one time in the Spring, we had a fair chance with, Ryan Johnson, I think. He was a cousin or maybe just great friends with McQuitty? I thought we were after him pretty hard, but maybe it was just one-sided. Anyone with any knowledge of that prospect?
 
GBRhuskers said:
For 40-50 years, walk-ons weren't something we relied on for DE, as far as those recruited to play on that side of the ball. Till the last three seasons with Jack and Ross. I'm tired of watching that position have minimal impact in games and that includes scholarship guys too.

We need a difference maker or two off the edge in the worst way. Projects are nice, only when there's enough ability in front of them to allow development. We haven't had a difference making DE since Barry Turner and his injury cut off any stardom potential he had. Heck, I'd take a Pierre Allen right now.

It's past time for Nebraska to get difference makers there. Someone that can impact a game, not "grade out well due to sound technique".

Who they are for the 2017, outside of pipe dream Beal, I can't answer that. Sorry if this response hijacks the thread. Rant over.
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Even guys like Allen and Turner were more set the edge base end type guys. You have to go all the way back to guys like Wistrom and Rucker to find DE's that really caused havoc against the run and the pass.
 
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Randy Gregory was pretty dam good but I get what your saying. We use to be DE University. And looking at the total guys on scholarship, there will be 8 DE's on scholarship next year. That number actually seems pretty good if not a tad too much. However, none of them are big guys and none of them have exactly played well yet. My hope is that they are just young and something will click next year.
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My bad, I should've clarified that I was only talking about high school DE's, not JUCO guys. I'm right there with you, we're forced to hope that someone will develop in to something better than what we've witnessed for the last several years. I thought Ankrah could've been a guy, but I believe Dobson screwed him up.

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Even guys like Allen and Turner were more set the edge base end type guys. You have to go all the way back to guys like Wistrom and Rucker to find DE's that really caused havoc against the run and the pass.
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Right, but we don't have either right now which is why I would take someone like the two mentioned.
 
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I half wonder if they will speak with Chester Graves who has academic issues, but if we "get him in the fold" and he somehow pans out with the clearinghouse, it could be a boon for us.
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at this point, we need to. If nothing else, if he is a player, we could place him in the Iowa JC for a year.
 
I wonder how freshmen redshirt Ben Stille is doing his 1st year?
 
This class had so much potential. If you would have told me in mid-summer we'd be lucky to finish with a top 25 class, I would have laughed at you and walked away. But that's what happens when you get shredded by 60 on national TV and then waxed by a mediocre Iowa team. This staff better buckle down this offseason.
 
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c3ntral08 said:
This class had so much potential. If you would have told me in mid-summer we'd be lucky to finish with a top 25 class, I would have laughed at you and walked away. But that's what happens when you get shredded by 60 on national TV and then waxed by a mediocre Iowa team. This staff better buckle down this offseason.
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I retract my statement from a few days ago stating that you were just a realist not negative. In this case I think you're just being negative. We still have as good of a chance at finishing with a top 15 class as we do out of the top 25. It's only going to take a couple of those recruits we're in the running for to give our rank a big boost. Fill it out with some 4 stars and we'll be in the top 15.
 
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We whiffed on DT's last cycle, but did sign two DE's and one of them may start next year.
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You're talking about Alexander and Stille, right? I thought Alexander was a linebacker (and recruited as one as well). Are you saying Stille may start next year? If so, then the 2016 class wouldn't be a total whiff but it sure is close.
 
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You're talking about Alexander and Stille, right? I thought Alexander was a linebacker (and recruited as one as well). Are you saying Stille may start next year? If so, then the 2016 class wouldn't be a total whiff but it sure is close.
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Colin Miller and Stille. Some people have raved about Miller's pass rushing and have said he could start (not a ton of competition to do so), we will see.
 
dinglefritz said:
I retract my statement from a few days ago stating that you were just a realist not negative. In this case I think you're just being negative. We still have as good of a chance at finishing with a top 15 class as we do out of the top 25. It's only going to take a couple of those recruits we're in the running for to give our rank a big boost. Fill it out with some 4 stars and we'll be in the top 15.
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So you're saying it's not realistic to think this class might not finish in the top 25??? If Graham doesn't commit Friday, this class's ranking is in trouble. There's a very good chance this class doesn't crack the top 25 especially when you're depending on 5 stars to boost the class. Marlon Lucky was the last 5 star out of HS we landed... That was 12 years ago.
 
c3ntral08 said:
So you're saying it's not realistic to think this class might not finish in the top 25??? If Graham doesn't commit Friday, this class's ranking is in trouble. There's a very good chance this class doesn't crack the top 25 especially when you're depending on 5 stars to boost the class. Marlon Lucky was the last 5 star out of HS we landed... That was 12 years ago.
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Inside the top 25 is more realistic than outside the top 25. We're roughly 100 points out of #25 right now, 3 2* takes us inside the top 25. It's pointless to discuss at this moment as way too many things can happen in the next seven weeks, for all schools outside of the dominant ones.
 
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So you're saying it's not realistic to think this class might not finish in the top 25??? If Graham doesn't commit Friday, this class's ranking is in trouble. There's a very good chance this class doesn't crack the top 25 especially when you're depending on 5 stars to boost the class. Marlon Lucky was the last 5 star out of HS we landed... That was 12 years ago.
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We lost Porcher. If he commits to somewhere close to home, it'll look like he did what was best for family relationship. At least on the surface, it doesn't appear that he has a problem with the program.

We'll likely finish top 25, and you could pick any name you want and throw them out of the equation. Our recruiting would have to fall off the ledge for us to not finish top 25.
 
c3ntral08 said:
So you're saying it's not realistic to think this class might not finish in the top 25??? If Graham doesn't commit Friday, this class's ranking is in trouble. There's a very good chance this class doesn't crack the top 25 especially when you're depending on 5 stars to boost the class. Marlon Lucky was the last 5 star out of HS we landed... That was 12 years ago.
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This class is looking like it has the potential to best I have ever seen since I joined this site. I'm not going to sit here and say I guarantee anything, but I have been on this site a LONG time, and haven't seen us in on this many blue chips this late in the game. You can whine all you want, but I'm not even on the same planet as you.
 
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Lol yeah it has potential to be the best, if we land the 5 stars we're in on. If we don't land sarell or JL, this class won't crack the top 20. Graham can get the ball rolling Friday but if he stays out west which most believe he will, and if Guy waivers... It won't be pretty.
 
It is absurd at this point to think we won't end up in the top 25 on rivals rankings. Here is why:

Last year the 25th rated team had 1839 points. In 2015 it was 1809 points. We currently have 1296 team recruiting points and have 14 commits. Rivals only counts points for the highest 20 commits. If we sign 21 (which I think we will sign more) and if we fill the class with only 5.6 rated mid-tier 3 star players (which won't happen- it will be much better) we would gain an additional 465 recruiting points (450 for signing 6 guys plus 15 points for the additional 1 guy which would make one 5.5 rated guy not count toward the rankings). This is basically the worst case scenario and would put us at 1761 points which would have put us at 28 last year or 27th in 2015.

Remember we only need about 550 points to hit top 25 and maybe about 690(based on last 2 years) to hit top 20: Here is a short list of guys we still have a shot at that are rated higher than 5.6.

Foster Sarell 6.1 5* #3 prospect (232 points)
Tyler Shelvin 6.1 5* #22 prospect (208 points)
Joseph Lewis 6.1 5* #23 prospect (207 points)
Stephen Carr 6.0 4* #31 prospect (186 points)
Deommodore Lenoir 5.9 4* #85 prospect (156 points)
Elijiah Blades 5.9 4* #88 prospect (155 points)
Greg Johnson 5.9 4* #97 prospect (153 points)
Jaylon Redd 5.9 4* #98 prospect (153 points)
Thomas Graham 5.9 4* #110 prospect (151 points)
Chuck Filiaga 5.9 4* #118 prospect (149 points)
Jamire Calvin 5.8 4* #187 prospect (120 points)
Isaac Slade-Matautia 5.8 4* (105 points)
Josh Falo 5.8 4* (105 points)
Damion Daniels 5.7 3* (90 points)
Gavin Holmes 5.7 3* (90 points)
Kamren Curl 5.7 3* (90 points)
Trajon Cotton 5.7 3* (90 points)

We will miss on the majority of this list. We might only sign 2 or 3 on this list. But that would still be more than enough- when filling out the rest of the class with average to low end 3 stars to put us in the top 25 and maybe the top 20.
 
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HuskerNorm said:
It is absurd at this point to think we won't end up in the top 25 on rivals rankings. Here is why:

Last year the 25th rated team had 1839 points. In 2015 it was 1809 points. We currently have 1296 team recruiting points and have 14 commits. Rivals only counts points for the highest 20 commits. If we sign 21 (which I think we will sign more) and if we fill the class with only 5.6 rated mid-tier 3 star players (which won't happen- it will be much better) we would gain an additional 465 recruiting points (450 for signing 6 guys plus 15 points for the additional 1 guy which would make one 5.5 rated guy not count toward the rankings). This is basically the worst case scenario and would put us at 1761 points which would have put us at 28 last year or 27th in 2015.

Remember we only need about 550 points to hit top 25 and maybe about 690(based on last 2 years) to hit top 20: Here is a short list of guys we still have a shot at that are rated higher than 5.6.

Foster Sarell 6.1 5* #3 prospect (232 points)
Tyler Shelvin 6.1 5* #22 prospect (208 points)
Joseph Lewis 6.1 5* #23 prospect (207 points)
Stephen Carr 6.0 4* #31 prospect (186 points)
Deommodore Lenoir 5.9 4* #85 prospect (156 points)
Elijiah Blades 5.9 4* #88 prospect (155 points)
Greg Johnson 5.9 4* #97 prospect (153 points)
Jaylon Redd 5.9 4* #98 prospect (153 points)
Thomas Graham 5.9 4* #110 prospect (151 points)
Chuck Filiaga 5.9 4* #118 prospect (149 points)
Jamire Calvin 5.8 4* #187 prospect (120 points)
Isaac Slade-Matautia 5.8 4* (105 points)
Josh Falo 5.8 4* (105 points)
Damion Daniels 5.7 3* (90 points)
Gavin Holmes 5.7 3* (90 points)
Kamren Curl 5.7 3* (90 points)
Trajon Cotton 5.7 3* (90 points)

We will miss on the majority of this list. We might only sign 2 or 3 on this list. But that would still be more than enough- when filling out the rest of the class with average to low end 3 stars to put us in the top 25 and maybe the top 20.
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Of these, I think we have a great shot at:

Joseph Lewis (207)
Greg Johnson (153)
Jamire Calvin (120)
Isaac Slade-Matautia (105)
Damion Daniels (90)
Gavin Holmes (90)

that would put us at 765 extra points if we got them. And we'd still have 2-4 spots left in the class to fill in with whomever we land. So, if we get those, or any combination thereof plus a few more, we should land in the top 20 no problem. I was hoping for top 15, and that is still possible.
 
DudznSudz said:
Of these, I think we have a great shot at:

Joseph Lewis (207)
Greg Johnson (153)
Jamire Calvin (120)
Isaac Slade-Matautia (105)
Damion Daniels (90)
Gavin Holmes (90)

that would put us at 765 extra points if we got them. And we'd still have 2-4 spots left in the class to fill in with whomever we land. So, if we get those, or any combination thereof plus a few more, we should land in the top 20 no problem. I was hoping for top 15, and that is still possible.
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It's certainly possible to get into the top 15. Your list, with an additional 2 guys at a 5.6 ranking (knocking out our 2 5.5 commits points) would give us a total of 2,091 points. Last year the 15th ranked team had 2202 and in 2015 it was 2133. So not that far off.
 
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HuskerNorm said:
It's certainly possible to get into the top 15. Your list, with an additional 2 guys at a 5.6 ranking (knocking out our 2 5.5 commits points) would give us a total of 2,091 points. Last year the 15th ranked team had 2202 and in 2015 it was 2133. So not that far off.
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Right, so, it sucks to lose Porcher because we need DE's so bad, but the reality was he wasn't going to start next year or in 2018 anyway. I would love to see us land Daniels, move Deontre Thomas to SDE, and the not worry about it. That still makes 2 DT's and 2 DE's in this class, which is a great haul.
 
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Why doesn't Nebraska utilize IWCC more frequently? A situation like Graves would be a perfect opportunity to do a little "we scratch your back, you scratch ours" kind of thing. Just kind of curious if this is something the coaches are trying to get set up or if they're staying away.
 
c3ntral08 said:
Lol yeah it has potential to be the best, if we land the 5 stars we're in on. If we don't land sarell or JL, this class won't crack the top 20. Graham can get the ball rolling Friday but if he stays out west which most believe he will, and if Guy waivers... It won't be pretty.
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get a grip.
 
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