Cutting the roster to 105

[kakdawg]

It's hard to say. We've had some players make it and become key contributors. But overall, I'd say it's as much caused by a lack of development in the program under Frost, Riley, Pelini, Callahan (can't improve much in practice watching from the sideline) and lack of opportunity as it is lack of talent. And the reason I say that is because the scholarship players ahead of them were also not as good as the standard used to be.

They will keep Alvano. On a 105 roster, you've got to have at least two kickers and two punters. The NFL keeps one of both but this ain't the NFL. The NFL cuts down to half that, 53, so they only keep one kicker. But they have practice squad players and free agents. If a college team is dumb enough to only keep one kicker, heaven help them if the kid gets hurt or gets the yips.

Meh..I think we disagree on the talent of the walk ons. Of course development makes a difference ud never deny that. My main point is back in the days guys who actually were talented but didn't go to those Dakota programs because Nebraska as a whole was the place to be. Being a walk on (albeit talented one) was considered a better option than playing for a "lesser" smaller program. NOW that isn't the case. Those talented kids who MAY have walked on at Nebraska back in the days are going to said schools. Schools that are going to there levels playoffs and putting guys in the NFL. So imo that leaves Nebraska with a lesser tier guy who makes up these walk on classes...locally anyways.


As far as the kicker goes I don't think they will let Alvano go either. I still don't think it makes what I'm saying wrong. Imo the politics behind it would be brutal and imo that would be far worse than shipping him. In no world can you make it make sense to keep a scholarship kicker on who can't make 35 yd field goals consistently. I'll stand by that. Especially when you have another kicker who MAY be proving that he is capable of doing that and more....yet that kicker ISNT on scholarship?

Not saying that's the case but it's currently trending in that direction. As for the yips that's apparently what happened to Alvano even before the injury. Let's not forget he wasn't a reliable kicker beforehand. But like you said and I agree (for different reasons) that they won't let him go. I hope they turn over every stone still trying to get another one in here who is dependable from 43 or so yards. Cause I have/had no confidence in Alvano. Best case Kohl is who he has shown he is and this is all water under the bridge.



Holla

 

[inWV]

Meh..I think we disagree on the talent of the walk ons. Of course development makes a difference ud never deny that. My main point is back in the days guys who actually were talented but didn't go to those Dakota programs because Nebraska as a whole was the place to be. Being a walk on (albeit talented one) was considered a better option than playing for a "lesser" smaller program. NOW that isn't the case. Those talented kids who MAY have walked on at Nebraska back in the days are going to said schools. Schools that are going to there levels playoffs and putting guys in the NFL. So imo that leaves Nebraska with a lesser tier guy who makes up these walk on classes...locally anyways.


As far as the kicker goes I don't think they will let Alvano go either. I still don't think it makes what I'm saying wrong. Imo the politics behind it would be brutal and imo that would be far worse than shipping him. In no world can you make it make sense to keep a scholarship kicker on who can't make 35 yd field goals consistently. I'll stand by that. Especially when you have another kicker who MAY be proving that he is capable of doing that and more....yet that kicker ISNT on scholarship?

Not saying that's the case but it's currently trending in that direction. As for the yips that's apparently what happened to Alvano even before the injury. Let's not forget he wasn't a reliable kicker beforehand. But like you said and I agree (for different reasons) that they won't let him go. I hope they turn over every stone still trying to get another one in here who is dependable from 43 or so yards. Cause I have/had no confidence in Alvano. Best case Kohl is who he has shown he is and this is all water under the bridge.



Holla

To me it looks like this - 105 is 20 more than 85. The last 25 guys on the roster are going to be at the level of preferred walk-on, unless the talent pool expands.

 

[HuskerDrew]

It's hard to say. We've had some players make it and become key contributors. But overall, I'd say it's as much caused by a lack of development in the program under Frost, Riley, Pelini, Callahan (can't improve much in practice watching from the sideline) and lack of opportunity as it is lack of talent. And the reason I say that is because the scholarship players ahead of them were also not as good as the standard used to be.

They will keep Alvano. On a 105 roster, you've got to have at least two kickers and two punters. The NFL keeps one of both but this ain't the NFL. The NFL cuts down to half that, 53, so they only keep one kicker. But they have practice squad players and free agents. If a college team is dumb enough to only keep one kicker, heaven help them if the kid gets hurt or gets the yips.

Yes, we need two kickers, but no, Alvano doesn’t deserve to be one of them.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

When an NFL team has a run of injuries at one position group, they have options. Trade. Steal another team’s practice squad player. Pick up somebody that was cut and cleared waivers.

You can say that 105 is much larger than NFL active+practice roster, so that accounts for it. But it doesn’t. College athlete’s are still growing and maturing. They need development, especially the lineman. Not everybody on the college roster is ready to play. Everyone on an NFL roster had better be.

 

[Big bo fan]

When an NFL team has a run of injuries at one position group, they have options. Trade. Steal another team’s practice squad player. Pick up somebody that was cut and cleared waivers.

You can say that 105 is much larger than NFL active+practice roster, so that accounts for it. But it doesn’t. College athlete’s are still growing and maturing. They need development, especially the lineman. Not everybody on the college roster is ready to play. Everyone on an NFL roster had better be.

That’s the only issue I see with the 105 .the practices are going to be interesting. Now you can just beat the shit out of a scout team walkon. With this that same player will be a scholarship type guy you may need in a situation like you say if you have a run on injury of a certain position.

 

[Big bo fan]

To me it looks like this - 105 is 20 more than 85. The last 25 guys on the roster are going to be at the level of preferred walk-on, unless the talent pool expands.

NIL has changed that. You now obviously have 85 scholarships but you can take 8-10 plus that would be scholarship guys and pay for thier schooling. Plus they get all the perks of a scholarship guy Training table weight room etc..I think if you can recruit right you can get to the 105 legit guys

 

[kakdawg]

Yes, we need two kickers, but no, Alvano doesn’t deserve to be one of them.

As a scholarship guy? I agree


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[oldjar07]

I just don't know how it's legal to enforce a 105 roster limit. I also don't see why a university club football team couldn’t be started up where the members could practice against the official roster and attend home games, and called up if they're good enough, and effectively be like a traditional walk-on today.

I also think it's just bad oversight though that the roster limit was arbitrarily set at 105 when the average roster size of P4 teams is over 120.

 

[Big bo fan]

I just don't know how it's legal to enforce a 105 roster limit. I also don't see why a university club football team couldn’t be started up where the members could practice against the official roster and attend home games, and called up if they're good enough, and effectively be like a traditional walk-on today.

I also think it's just bad oversight though that the roster limit was arbitrarily set at 105 when the average roster size of P4 teams is over 120.

How is legal to endorse the 85 scholarship limit? Because it’s the fkn rules that’s why . I would agree with your last point. That’s why most coaches wanted around the 115-120 roster.

 

[bama_husker]

Meh..I think we disagree on the talent of the walk ons. Of course development makes a difference ud never deny that. My main point is back in the days guys who actually were talented but didn't go to those Dakota programs because Nebraska as a whole was the place to be. Being a walk on (albeit talented one) was considered a better option than playing for a "lesser" smaller program. NOW that isn't the case. Those talented kids who MAY have walked on at Nebraska back in the days are going to said schools. Schools that are going to there levels playoffs and putting guys in the NFL. So imo that leaves Nebraska with a lesser tier guy who makes up these walk on classes...locally anyways.


As far as the kicker goes I don't think they will let Alvano go either. I still don't think it makes what I'm saying wrong. Imo the politics behind it would be brutal and imo that would be far worse than shipping him. In no world can you make it make sense to keep a scholarship kicker on who can't make 35 yd field goals consistently. I'll stand by that. Especially when you have another kicker who MAY be proving that he is capable of doing that and more....yet that kicker ISNT on scholarship?

Not saying that's the case but it's currently trending in that direction. As for the yips that's apparently what happened to Alvano even before the injury. Let's not forget he wasn't a reliable kicker beforehand. But like you said and I agree (for different reasons) that they won't let him go. I hope they turn over every stone still trying to get another one in here who is dependable from 43 or so yards. Cause I have/had no confidence in Alvano. Best case Kohl is who he has shown he is and this is all water under the bridge.



Holla

I have a friend whose son walked on at Alabama during the Shula era. He was on the depth chart, but when it became clear he wasn't going to start, he transferred to JSU and started for several years there. Getting on the field was a priority. I suspect that the walkons who aren't on the depth chart are there more for the education and may not start even at lower levels. It's cool if they can be on the roster in Lincoln and get their education paid for, but in terms of improving thr product on the field, probably not much effect.

 

[dinglefritz]

Yes, we need two kickers, but no, Alvano doesn’t deserve to be one of them.

Alvano I think started out okay and then had his groin injury which he played through. Then he had off season surgery. That surgery is a tough one for a kicker. They tried to bring him back too quickly IMO so I'm not willing to say he doesn't deserve to have a scholarship. What he really needs to do is NOTHING for probably 4-6 months to allow his groin to completely heal and then start a rehab program leading up to next fall.