Covid Cases & College Football

[GBRforLife1]

just google it. i just did. found a 30 something triathlete from south dakota. A 26 year old athlete from New Jersey. A 23 year old athlete who played college soccer from St. Louis. those are just the ones i found in 1 minute. imagine all the ones that didn't make google news. or if you actually tried researching it.

What's wild is that we know the flu kills significantly more of this age group, but you're here acting like you found the ultimate gotcha when it's shown to be a statistical anomaly. And you never provide any context. You focus on some outlier, anecdotal garbage and act like that's should be what decisions are based off.

And it's all for show.

If you really cared you'd be equally or more concerned that suicides and overdoses have far surpassed normal levels AND corona deaths combined in these age groups. You'd think about the impact that the panic porn and fear mongering and propaganda have.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/in_the_news/age_group.htm

 

[Charlie Marlow]

I realize you think it’s your job to police the covid threads for some reason, but it’s not really that difficult to filter out political mumbo jumbo when you read an article. Both publications might lean a little left but they don’t approach msnbc and foxnews territory. But go ahead and limit your info if you want.

 

[GBRforLife1]

there's actually millions of teachers just like her all over the country. in fact i would guess she is a perfect example of a teacher. not an outlier. apparently you haven't ever taken the time to get to know many teachers. you prefer to throw stones from a distance with blinders on.

The performance of the public school system suggests otherwise.

Tell me, how many teachers are fired for poor performance each year?

 

[ThereIsNoPlace]

A story in the Atlantic summarizing latest trends on the pandemic.

In the United States, the rising severity of the current moment was obscured for several weeks by the downward drift of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths resulting from the spring outbreak in northeastern states. Even though deaths have been rising in the hardest-hit states of the Sun Belt surge, falling deaths in the Northeast disguised the trend.

Pretty grim final paragraph in that article, amongst many throughout. It states on record the possible US death toll at somewhere between 600,000 to 800,000 without action.

"The lack of containment by American authorities has resulted in not only lost lives, but also lost businesses, savings accounts, school years, dreams, public trust, friendships. The country cannot get back to normal with a highly transmissible, deadly virus spreading in our communities. There will be no way to just “live with it.” There will only be dying from it for the unlucky, and barely surviving it for the rest of us"

 

[GBRforLife1]

I realize you think it’s your job to police the covid threads for some reason, but it’s not really that difficult to filter out political mumbo jumbo when you read an article. Both publications might lean a little left but they don’t approach msnbc and foxnews territory. But go ahead and limit your info if you want.

The story in the Atlantic is garbage.

The 2nd line is: Despite political leaders trivializing the pandemic...

The 2nd line of the article! That's a BS leftwing editorial. That's not a "news" source.

It goes on to clutch pearls about the amount of deaths reported never mentioning that they're coming from as far back as May.

I'm not even going to waste my time with Vox.

 

[GBRforLife1]

Pretty grim final paragraph in that article, amongst many throughout. It states on record the possible US death toll at somewhere between 600,000 to 800,000 without action.

"The lack of containment by American authorities has resulted in not only lost lives, but also lost businesses, savings accounts, school years, dreams, public trust, friendships. The country cannot get back to normal with a highly transmissible, deadly virus spreading in our communities. There will be no way to just “live with it.” There will only be dying from it for the unlucky, and barely surviving it for the rest of us"

99.9%+ survival rate is "barely surviving it for the rest of us."

This propagandist should be forced to reconcile this article with Sweden.

 

[dinglefritz]

Pretty grim final paragraph in that article, amongst many throughout. It states on record the possible US death toll at somewhere between 600,000 to 800,000 without action.

"The lack of containment by American authorities has resulted in not only lost lives, but also lost businesses, savings accounts, school years, dreams, public trust, friendships. The country cannot get back to normal with a highly transmissible, deadly virus spreading in our communities. There will be no way to just “live with it.” There will only be dying from it for the unlucky, and barely surviving it for the rest of us"

That grim final statement is a political opinion, not scientific fact.

 

[dinglefritz]

The story in the Atlantic is garbage.

The 2nd line is: Despite political leaders trivializing the pandemic...

The 2nd line of the article! That's a BS leftwing editorial. That's not a "news" source.

It goes on to clutch pearls about the amount of deaths reported never mentioning that they're coming from as far back as May.

I'm not even going to waste my time with Vox.

Not to mention that the largest contributor to the fatalities was a state that was "locked down". Over 30 thousand deaths in New York. When you add the other northeastern blue states who followed Cuomo it amounts to roughly half of the deaths so far in this country.

The left is screaming about Florida but last time I checked Florida has less than 15% of the number of fatalities of New York.

 

[GBRforLife1]

Not to mention that the largest contributor to the fatalities was a state that was "locked down". Over 30 thousand deaths in New York. When you add the other northeastern blue states who followed Cuomo it amounts to roughly half of the deaths so far in this country.

The left is screaming about Florida but last time I checked Florida has less than 15% of the number of fatalities of New York.

Florida's hospitals aren't overrun and their deaths haven't skyrocketed.

You won't hear anything about them. It doesn't fit the narrative and they can't cause panic and fear.

You'll only hear if the deaths increase significantly.

 

[GBRforLife1]

Did you see that Fauci says we'll have a new treatment soon. The trials on monoclonal antibody therapy are wrapping up and he seems very confident that will be available for ill patients "by fall". I would assume it will be via IV infusion in a hospital setting. He wouldn't be talking about if he wasn't sure it was going to be effective. I thought it was important enough to start a new thread about it but obviously a mod didn't agree with that. Huge development.

I didn't. Sounds like all the more reason to open the country and have a football season.

 

[bingo65]

What's wild is that we know the flu kills significantly more of this age group, but you're here acting like you found the ultimate gotcha when it's shown to be a statistical anomaly. And you never provide any context. You focus on some outlier, anecdotal garbage and act like that's should be what decisions are based off.

And it's all for show.

If you really cared you'd be equally or more concerned that suicides and overdoses have far surpassed normal levels AND corona deaths combined in these age groups. You'd think about the impact that the panic porn and fear mongering and propaganda have.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/in_the_news/age_group.htm

im not trumping up anything. i never said they were common. all i said is it happens. someone else said it had NEVER happened. well it has happened and it has happened multiple times.
were you beaten as a child? you seem to jump to conclusions about people's intent.
BTW the virus would be wreaking havoc whether we locked down or not. and i just read an article from europe outlining a number of suicides that were not linked to any lockdown at all. they were linked directly to the virus and not any behavioral change associated to the virus. in fact some of the increase in suicides is caused by healthcare workers who become depressed while taking care of covid patients in hospitals. im pretty sure you are taking as much liberty with information as anyone you attack

 

[bingo65]

I didn't. Sounds like all the more reason to open the country and have a football season.

i hope there is college football too. i hope they at least try before cancelling. but it is a little bit interesting that there seem to more than a few professional athletes who are very concerned about starting up. their unions want daily testing and all kinds of increased precautions and guarantees before they will consider playing or practicing. these are athletes with millions of dollars on the line and they are not exactly comfortable participating. at least some. we know the college kids will not get the benefit of protections and testing the pros get. so why would it be so outrageous for people to be at least cautious with college fb if many of the adult athletes are pleading for maximum protections? seems reasonable to be cautious since that what all the pros think is right

 

[bingo65]

The performance of the public school system suggests otherwise.

Tell me, how many teachers are fired for poor performance each year?

LOL angriest man in america
yes i believe that teachers should have some kind of performance evaluation like most workers. Hopefully that is coming at some point . but dude you are so bitter about so much. and unwilling to admit there are many different factors in play that cause some of the issues that concern you other than the singular blame you place on one factor you dont like. Teachers are just a percentage of what we probably need to improve on in our educational system. but we dont seem to really care all that much because they are paid like factory workers. many of the smartest kids dont want to go into teaching because of the pay. we will never attract the best until we decide to make it attractive. we could do that but most people dont want to. it might cost them some money

 

[NikkiSixx]

Florida's hospitals aren't overrun and their deaths haven't skyrocketed.

You won't hear anything about them. It doesn't fit the narrative and they can't cause panic and fear.

You'll only hear if the deaths increase significantly.

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better florida dashboard here: see the 3rd tab
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/

 

[dinglefritz]

better florida dashboard here: see the 3rd tab
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/7572b118dc3c48d885d1c643c195314e/

There's hope for you and me Nikki if we get COVID. Monoclonal antibody treatment will get approval early this fall. My educated guess is that it will be a rapid cure. Fauci said it will limit hospitalizations. The other new thing out is an anti-cholesterol drug that kills off Corona virus in invitro studies. I think it was Oxford University in the U.K. that had much earlier reported a significant decrease in deaths of people in nursing homes who were on statin drugs so that makes sense.

I like worldometer's site better. It's so easy to navigate and decipher but that site you linked does have better age data.

 

[bingo65]

There's hope for you and me Nikki if we get COVID. Monoclonal antibody treatment will get approval early this fall. My educated guess is that it will be a rapid cure. Fauci said it will limit hospitalizations. The other new thing out is an anti-cholesterol drug that kills off Corona virus in invitro studies. I think it was Oxford University in the U.K. that had much earlier reported a significant decrease in deaths of people in nursing homes who were on statin drugs so that makes sense.

I like worldometer's site better. It's so easy to navigate and decipher but that site you linked does have better age data.

its not a statin drug they are talking about. its fenofibrate. known for lowering triglycerides not LDL cholesterol. would be great if we can get some bigger studies and data with it as a treatment. its generic

 

[Blindcheck]

99.9%+ survival rate is "barely surviving it for the rest of us."

This propagandist should be forced to reconcile this article with Sweden.

I keep seeing people quote a 99.9% suruvival rate...for that number to be correct with the 143,000 already dead...that would mean that 143 million people have already been infected and gotten better or died.

 

[dinglefritz]

its not a statin drug they are talking about. its fenofibrate. known for lowering triglycerides not LDL cholesterol. would be great if we can get some bigger studies and data with it as a treatment. its generic

I stand corrected but it does lower cholesterol as well. Supposedly Fenofibrate works by limiting the availability of lipids which COVID requires to survive. The UK study was of statins. Its kind of an exercise in wishful thinking because I believe the monoclonal antibody treatment therapy will be here soon and will replace other ancillary therapies. There's multiple other companies working on monoclonal antibody therapy but of course Fauci is touting the one being developed in collaboration with the CDC.

 

[dinglefritz]

I keep seeing people quote a 99.9% suruvival rate...for that number to be correct with the 143,000 already dead...that would mean that 143 million people have already been infected and gotten better or died.

I think he was exaggerating a little bit for the whole population. IF the CDC was accurate when they estimated that there's over 10X (actually most recently serology indicated 11X) as many people who have been infected as we have positive tests for then the survival rate would be more like 99.7%. That's roughly 44 million people who have been infected using their estimates. We'll end up with less than 3/1000 of people who get this dying from it. That includes all of the elderly and people with horrible comorbidities. When you consider the horrific statistics we heard about how much obesity, heart disease and hypertension we have in this country, I would say that is shockingly low. Some people made it sound like we were going to lose 40% of our population.

 

[bshirt73]

Right they do it for the M-F 8am-4pm-ish hours, and only working 180 days a year with every made up holiday off and summers too along with no real accountability.

I really hope their "planning hour" and "monitoring study hall" doesn't stress them too much!

And teachers have gotten paid this entire year.

Below is an example of the teacher's year. There is 1 month where they teach 4 weeks. 1 out of 12.

100% correct sir.

 

[NikkiSixx]

There's hope for you and me Nikki if we get COVID. Monoclonal antibody treatment will get approval early this fall. My educated guess is that it will be a rapid cure. Fauci said it will limit hospitalizations. The other new thing out is an anti-cholesterol drug that kills off Corona virus in invitro studies. I think it was Oxford University in the U.K. that had much earlier reported a significant decrease in deaths of people in nursing homes who were on statin drugs so that makes sense.

I like worldometer's site better. It's so easy to navigate and decipher but that site you linked does have better age data.

interesting info.. yeah that site is a florida only one.. written by some woman that the state fired because they were hiding data, or something along those lines..

I figure I have Type A blood, over 50, pre-diabetes, and hypertension... I'm carrying too many risk factors to mess with it..

In fact, as the virus spreads, I think I'm going to order a respirator (3M) that would actually block the virus for some upcoming airplane travel.

I'm in reasonably decent health, but I don't want to take any chances.

Hopefully you steer clear of it as well.

 

[ZaneHickey]

Florida's hospitals aren't overrun and their deaths haven't skyrocketed.

You won't hear anything about them. It doesn't fit the narrative and they can't cause panic and fear.

You'll only hear if the deaths increase significantly.

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Shhh!!!

 

[orclover]

The performance of the public school system suggests otherwise.

Tell me, how many teachers are fired for poor performance each year?

I had a lot to say on this topic. But your initial statement is uninformed. Since 1990 proficiency for reading, math, and science has tripled. I don't know how you rate IQ, but the U.S is 27th in the world in IQ, which is generally viewed as an indicator of inputs outside of education, and we happen to do better than this on standardized tests, slightly. We also are 10th in expenditures, meaning we might be the "richest" but we don't prioritize education. And finally we are in the 120s globally for wealth inequality, which is why it is common to have hungry American kids in the classroom.

Summary: The U.S is doing dramatically better than it was 30 years ago..but scores suffered from the economic downturn. We aren't that smart natively, but score better than expected on standardized tests because overall we have a solid teacher core. Our nation is one of the worst in the world when it comes to inequality, meaning many expenditures in school are used to clothe, feed, supervise, discipline, and medically treat students who should receive most of this from home or other places in the community.

And there isn't a fix for the teacher problem and most places are facing massive shortages. In fact, places in Nebraska have been continually hiring teachers from the Phillipines to teach as nobody else will come. This is similar to other public services, including police, fire, and medical.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

possible reinfection? another leftie communist hit piece from vox. there aren't very many of these cases, but it's still relatively early.

“Wait. I can catch Covid twice?” my 50-year-old patient asked in disbelief. It was the beginning of July, and he had just tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, for a second time — three months after a previous infection.

While there’s still much we don’t understand about immunity to this new illness, a small but growing number of cases like his suggest the answer is yes.

Covid-19 may also be much worse the second time around. During his first infection, my patient experienced a mild cough and sore throat. His second infection, in contrast, was marked by a high fever, shortness of breath, and hypoxia, resulting in multiple trips to the hospital.

 

[ThereIsNoPlace]

That grim final statement is a political opinion, not scientific fact.

Let's just hope it's the wrong opinion.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

Let's just hope it's the wrong opinion.

I think he is portraying what could happen if nothing further is done. But he also states elsewhere he doesn’t believe the numbers will approach those levels. And I agree that I don’t see it either. Because surely more will be done and we are seeing signs of that already. Maybe it’s not coming from the top, but more mayors and governors are tightening things up again. And more and more stores etc are requiring masks. Masks will improve this situation quite a lot. I’m just really concerned that all the youngsters getting sick now will spread it back to the older folks and what will happen them. Time will tell

 

[SLOHusker]

I think he was exaggerating a little bit for the whole population. IF the CDC was accurate when they estimated that there's over 10X (actually most recently serology indicated 11X) as many people who have been infected as we have positive tests for then the survival rate would be more like 99.7%. That's roughly 44 million people who have been infected using their estimates. We'll end up with less than 3/1000 of people who get this dying from it. That includes all of the elderly and people with horrible comorbidities. When you consider the horrific statistics we heard about how much obesity, heart disease and hypertension we have in this country, I would say that is shockingly low. Some people made it sound like we were going to lose 40% of our population.

I read your post on memory T cells and how they reactivate development of antibodies to known antigens like COVID 19 upon reexposure, but what exactly allows those who were infected with covid 19 to become reinvested after previously clearing the infection? Is this simply due to false testing results? https://www.physiciansweekly.com/risk-for-covid-19-reinfection-remains-unknown/

 

[GBRforLife1]

Let's just hope it's the wrong opinion.

Have any of them been right yet?

Time will tell, but it doesn't look like FL, TX or AZ are going to be anything like NY.

 

[GBRforLife1]

Interesting article on t-cells and years long immunity to coronavirus and why many are not getting sick at all and the elderly is more susceptible.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200716-the-people-with-hidden-protection-from-covid-19

 

[bingo65]

Have any of them been right yet?

Time will tell, but it doesn't look like FL, TX or AZ are going to be anything like NY.

yes there have been a lot of doctors and scientists who have been pretty accurate about this virus. its not all that complicated. but im not sure why anyone would take such GREAT PRIDE in others inaccurate predictions when this virus has never come around before. any rational person would conclude it would make for a fairly difficult prediction since its the first time we have ever encountered it. but then there are the conspiracy theorists and anger mob who think that everyone is out to get them and their political candidate too. im not sure who would be more qualified and less biased than the doctors and scientists. but if it doesn't fit your agenda then even the scientists are out to get you

 

[GBRforLife1]

yes there have been a lot of doctors and scientists who have been pretty accurate about this virus. its not all that complicated. but im not sure why anyone would take such GREAT PRIDE in others inaccurate predictions when this virus has never come around before. any rational person would conclude it would make for a fairly difficult prediction since its the first time we have ever encountered it. but then there are the conspiracy theorists and anger mob who think that everyone is out to get them and their political candidate too. im not sure who would be more qualified and less biased than the doctors and scientists. but if it doesn't fit your agenda then even the scientists are out to get you

Did you start drinking early this morning or are you still drunk from the night before?

 

[dinglefritz]

I read your post on memory T cells and how they reactivate development of antibodies to known antigens like COVID 19 upon reexposure, but what exactly allows those who were infected with covid 19 to become reinvested after previously clearing the infection? Is this simply due to false testing results? https://www.physiciansweekly.com/risk-for-covid-19-reinfection-remains-unknown/

The first reports in S. Korea of people supposedly being re-infected were proven to be false positive tests. They were retested because they had respiratory symptoms but it was from something else. One of the first COVID patients who came to the Omaha biocontainment unit tested positive for 40 days after he was over clinical illness. It turned out that the test was picking up dead viral particles in his feces. It takes a very long time for your body to completely remove all genetic material of an intracellular virus like COVID. I have not seen any documented cases where they've proven "re-infection". I think it would be more likely that somebody could have an immune deficiency or maybe some other problem that allows the virus to sequester in their body and then re-emerge later. I still haven't seen any refereed peer reviewed articles to support that though there may be some.

Articles in Vox don't count as anything that should be taken seriously. That said, there's always zebras out there if you look long and hard enough for them. Re-infection risk would be EXTREMELY low and even IF someone did get re-infected they likely would not get seriously ill.

 

[dinglefritz]

interesting info.. yeah that site is a florida only one.. written by some woman that the state fired because they were hiding data, or something along those lines..

I figure I have Type A blood, over 50, pre-diabetes, and hypertension... I'm carrying too many risk factors to mess with it..

In fact, as the virus spreads, I think I'm going to order a respirator (3M) that would actually block the virus for some upcoming airplane travel.

I'm in reasonably decent health, but I don't want to take any chances.

Hopefully you steer clear of it as well.

You're braver than me if you're getting on a commercial flight. Add in goggles to your equipment as well if you go. The N95 masks are enough IF you can find one. I have a helluva time wearing them for very long.

 

[GBRforLife1]

You're braver than me if you're getting on a commercial flight. Add in goggles to your equipment as well if you go. The N95 masks are enough IF you can find one. I have a helluva time wearing them for very long.

My dad just flew cross country twice. He is totally fine.

The worry over planes is overblown.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

D. Clay Ackerly, MD, MSc, is an internal medicine and primary care physician practicing in Washington, DC. He has served both as a faculty member of Harvard Medical School and as assistant chief medical officer at Massachusetts General Hospital. He has also held positions in the government and private sector, including the White House, the Food and Drug Administration, and, most recently, as chief medical officer of Privia Health.

Seems to be well credentialed and he is saying that he thinks one of his patients may have caught covid-19 a second and distinct separate time. He then talks about potential implications, but also states that there aren't enough cases yet to know what is going on. And somehow he manages to avoid bashing Republicans and Trump at the same time. Disregard it if you want, but others might find it an interesting read.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

I'm supposed to go back to Seoul this Fall. I'll have a K94 mask so hopefully that works.

 

[bobcrane14]

I love my children dearly. Who would not say that? I would never put them in harm's way. I've told them to stay away from home so they don't put their at-risk mother or grandparents in a spot. We see them via Skype. Healthy young people have almost no risk.

 

[orclover]

Did you start drinking early this morning or are you still drunk from the night before?

I respect your passion man. It is important to remember that every scientific discovery that you take advantage of stemmed from failure. I wouldn't say the scientific effort has been unprecedented but relatively impressive. Research into Pandemic A influenza viruses has been ongoing for 80 years and we still don't even know exactly where they come from, how they jump to humans, and why they kill the young via cytokine storms. The fact that we have made such progress on completely unique blood/endothelial disease that infects through the respiratory tract is quite amazing. The expectation is that science will be wrong, wrong, less wrong, even less wrong, maybe right...and therefore there is always risk in trusting in it, albeit less than not trusting in it. And from a motive perspective, there is a lot of motivation to get it right because a lot of influential people are being hurt financially and politically by this thing.

 

[NikkiSixx]

You're braver than me if you're getting on a commercial flight. Add in goggles to your equipment as well if you go. The N95 masks are enough IF you can find one. I have a helluva time wearing them for very long.

I would actually use a respirator and goggles as you mention. I think there is a high degree of circumstantial evidence that it spreads effectively as an aerosol.

I got this info from United yesterday:

"The HEPA filtration system on board our mainline aircraft recycles the air every 2-3 minutes and removes 99.97% of particles, making the air on board a plane cleaner than what you experience in restaurants, grocery stores, schools or even hospitals. Today, we announced that we'll not only run these filters at full strength for the entire flight — we’ll run them during the boarding and deplaning process, too."

The virus that causes COVID-19 is approximately 0.125 micron (125 nanometers) in diameter. It falls squarely within the particle-size range that HEPA filters capture with extraordinary efficiency: 0.01 micron (10 nanometers) and above.

 

[leodisflowers]

I just flew back to Nebraska a few weeks ago. I wore my mask and the planes do feel as clean as they ever have been, plus they hand out sanitizing wipes to everyone and basically everyone did their due diligence to clean up. The great part too is people barely used the restroom so you don't have the people who insist on going right as we are to push away from the gate, or the people that insist on going right as the wheels come up. My flight was actually very good.