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It absolutely has been proven - for the last 200 years.

But somehow you seem to keep pushing the idea that we wouldn't make it out of this scary China Virus and the only answer is to keep everyone home for months and the only jobs worth doing are those where people work from home and everyone else can be supported by the govt.

Which is crazily similar to your political agenda.

9/10 of your posts are agenda driven. You ignore everything that doesn't support your agenda and then accuse others of having an agenda. It doesn't get anymore hypocritical than that.

Should've went into politics instead of planning.

Your agenda is claiming every major government in the world is wrong and overreacting. You claim bs then backpedal.

Here’s an analysis showing stronger response to the 1918 pandemic may have helped those economies.

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/deliver...4007103100072001119024117079090119119&EXT=pdf

The federal government puts the value of a human life around $8-$10 million dollars, 1 million lives lost would have a $8-$10 trillion dollar impact, 500K is $4-$5 trillion impact. So that’s what goes into the decision.
 
This is old news, but the "spike" in Corona is very real, in dense populations, it is a big killer. And if you assume China mislead everybody, then comparing it to flu was a bad analysis. I blame the Chinese for our initial comparison to flu-Cornona is far, far worse. Both in mortality rates and in how infectious it is overall.

You have to own this GBRforLife1. Man-up.

Of course, Nebraska shouldn't be as bad of an outbreak, there is a much less dense population and far fewer cases.

But look at some of these cruise ships as an example of how deadly this shit is. It's a real killer.

I'll wait for more info to measure it against the flu. I highly doubt it'll be the 10 - 20 times more deadly that people have hysterically claimed.

Considering how the pneumonia deaths have dropped and china virus deaths have increased I don't think there's any doubt people are dying. It's just labeling the same dead people a different way.

It would be reasonable to expect a new virus to hit a more vulnerable portion of the population harder, but it's not like everyone is going to die. Likely not even 1% of those over 60.

 
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And what's the point? The flu and the coronavirus are not comparable. The coronavirus is much more contagious and right now there are no effective vaccines or theraputics available for it yet. That's the difference. Someday when there are vaccines and effective/safe theraputics then maybe you can compare the two.
 
Your agenda is claiming every major government in the world is wrong and overreacting. You claim bs then backpedal.

Here’s an analysis showing stronger response to the 1918 pandemic may have helped those economies.

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/deliver...4007103100072001119024117079090119119&EXT=pdf

The federal government puts the value of a human life around $8-$10 million dollars, 1 million lives lost would have a $8-$10 trillion dollar impact, 500K is $4-$5 trillion impact. So that’s what goes into the decision.

We'll let the businesses that are shut down that you found a study that said shutting them down didn't impact them.

This is why wannabe academics avoid the real world.
 
Sorry I couldn’t get back to you right away, I had to make the kids dinner (stay at home order has been fun). I did agree with those saying we should take Corona Virus serious back in January and I still do. Now do you believe the President should be taking political advice from TV personalities? Just because I agree with something someone has to say doesn’t mean they should have the ear of that most powerful man in the world. If you are OK with Carlson advising the President, I assume you would have been OK with Rachel Maddow calling up a President and advising him on policy?

You should also stop your political agenda BS. You have no idea what side of the isle I’m on. While some extremist, like yourself, show their political cards every chance they get, many of us live in a reality somewhere in between. For instance, you can admit the mistakes the President has made, without being a tree hugging liberal (or whatever derogatory term you prefer). You can also like individual qualities about the President, without believing he is perfect.

As I said earlier, I actually did vote for Trump in 2016, doesn’t mean I’ve drank the koolaide and can’t admit things like calling up A-Rod for advice, or getting advice from an infotainment star is foolish.
I think anyone in politics is an egomaniac first and foremost, and whatever comes next is a distant second. not a single person in office cares one iota about their constituents after their votes have been cast.

I also don't care what the president says or who he/she is advised by, because their actions don't affect me, or really anyone, one bit. the government was designed with checks/balances for a reason.

very extreme of me, I know.

I agree with sound, pragmatic, common sense thinking, and believe any political biases clouds judgement. like I said, I have never cast a vote for president due to my location and likely never will unless the 2-party system is abolished.

I do vote locally because those votes do matter.
 
This is old news, but the "spike" in Corona is very real, in dense populations, it is a big killer. And if you assume China mislead everybody, then comparing it to flu was a bad analysis. I blame the Chinese for our initial comparison to flu-Cornona is far, far worse. Both in mortality rates and in how infectious it is overall.

You have to own this GBRforLife1. Man-up.

Of course, Nebraska shouldn't be as bad of an outbreak, there is a much less dense population and far fewer cases.

But look at some of these cruise ships as an example of how deadly this shit is. It's a real killer.
Here's the problem with good measured intentions, after awhile,people eat people.
Now, that of course is the most dire end, but it surely happens.

Somewhere along the way, a balance will be struck, it isnt about the money, it's about living.
A media person, obvious never left his bubble, making alot of money no doubt, asked this president, why are some businesses still open, like gas stations, fast food and grocery stores.
For three weeks.
It's a big world out there, one size doesn't fit all.
 
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I think anyone in politics is an egomaniac first and foremost, and whatever comes next is a distant second. not a single person in office cares one iota about their constituents after their votes have been cast.

very extreme of me, I know.

I agree with sound, pragmatic, common sense thinking, and believe any political biases clouds judgement. like I said, I have never cast a vote for president due to my location and likely never will unless the 2-party system is abolished.

I do vote locally because those votes do matter.
Local elections do have a much bigger impact on most of us, most of the time. Now could you answer my question. Do you think shock jocks and former professional athletes should be advising the President on policy matters? Seems like it should be easy for someone without bias, using common sense.....
 
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I'll wait for more info to measure it against the flu. I highly doubt it'll be the 10 - 20 times more deadly that people have hysterically claimed.

Considering how the pneumonia deaths have dropped and china virus deaths have increased I don't think there's any doubt people are dying. It's just labeling the same dead people a different way.

It would be reasonable to expect a new virus to hit a more vulnerable portion of the population harder, but it's not like everyone is going to die. Likely not even 1% of those over 60.


My favorite part of the chart is how they spell "pneunomia"
 
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We'll let the businesses that are shut down that you found a study that said shutting them down didn't impact them.

This is why wannabe academics avoid the real world.

Macro vs Micro economics, someone is going to suffer with any decision, we can at least agree on that much?
 
Still having trouble with reading comprehension ehh?
What was the response when the president said he'd like to see things up and running ?
He was bashed, the health care folks said we couldnt do this, they said he was going against them.

So, health care experts, do we wait til September of next year for that vaccine, as those experts have prognosticated?
And, at what point do you inject hope? Is that their friggin job? And as for the media, where's their stories of the light atthe end of the tunnel?
A one track mind is what we're getting from the media, it isn't hard to figure out what side they're on, as a one trackmind,if accepted,gives a better position to make attacks from.
When people start going hungry, when people at stores start getting sick, and no one replaces them, let's see this it's all about the money, listen to only the experts narrative hold.
 
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Not a doctor, but I have seen a ton of reports that lots of elderly who die are getting listed as dying from the coronavirus. It may be a negligible part of what caused them to pass, but it still goes on the statistics. They may be missing some of the other way as well. Clearly both sides have an agenda.
Have heard reports from other countries and now hearing reports from US. If someone comes in the hospital with injuries from a car crash. They do x rays of the chest, they are seeing symptoms in the lungs that that person has Corona virus. They test them and they test positive. Yet that person has zero physical symptoms or very minimal ,of Corona virus. If that person were to die from the injuries suffered from the accident. Their death would be classified as Corona virus related. I think there is a ton of this type of thing going on. The part we should be afraid of more than the virus is, why? Why are they desperately wanting to pad Corona virus numbers and deaths?
 
Antibody/immunity tests almost ready to pass muster, two weeks.

Then a huge ramp up, millions per day available, where people can get back to work.

A month from now, all those holding onto the stay at home wont exist, other than those who arent infected, then that'll be a whole new can of worms
 
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Have heard reports from other countries and now hearing reports from US. If someone comes in the hospital with injuries from a car crash. They do x rays of the chest, they are seeing symptoms in the lungs that that person has Corona virus. They test them and they test positive. Yet that person has zero physical symptoms or very minimal ,of Corona virus. If that person were to die from the injuries suffered from the accident. Their death would be classified as Corona virus related. I think there is a ton of this type of thing going on. The part we should be afraid of more than the virus is, why? Why are they desperately wanting to pad Corona virus numbers and deaths?

This sounds like an enormous crock of horses***. Any links whatsoever to substantiate this?
 
Local elections do have a much bigger impact on most of us, most of the time. Now could you answer my question. Do you think shock jocks and former professional athletes should be advising the President on policy matters? Seems like it should be easy for someone without bias, using common sense.....
no, I do not. I agree that it is a sad state of affairs when we as a people even need to consider it.

however, I don't hate when public figures with plenty to lose publicly state things/give advice, solicited or not.
 
Good thing harvey weinsteen, the child molester guy and others never had access to the white house......

Glass houses look great from the outside, but bares too much from the inside.
It's time for action folks, a month from now, we will mostly know who can go on as usual, those not infected stay home.
Big decisions coming, and we need to be focusing on this, and not pointing fingers.
 
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All this pointing figures is yesterdays narratives by those pushing it.

When multimillions of antibody tests role out, everyone will get tested, and those who already have the antibodies are free to get off the boat.
The question we will soon face is, what do we do with the rest of us?
Not all of us are getting off that boat anytime soon.
 
Not a doctor, but I have seen a ton of reports that lots of elderly who die are getting listed as dying from the coronavirus. It may be a negligible part of what caused them to pass, but it still goes on the statistics. They may be missing some of the other way as well. Clearly both sides have an agenda.
The hospital gets paid if you die from
This sounds like an enormous crock of horses***. Any links whatsoever to substantiate this?
No, it's true. For every Covid 19 death, the government pays for the treatment. Hospitals are abusing it to get paid.
 
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Have heard reports from other countries and now hearing reports from US. If someone comes in the hospital with injuries from a car crash. They do x rays of the chest, they are seeing symptoms in the lungs that that person has Corona virus. They test them and they test positive. Yet that person has zero physical symptoms or very minimal ,of Corona virus. If that person were to die from the injuries suffered from the accident. Their death would be classified as Corona virus related. I think there is a ton of this type of thing going on. The part we should be afraid of more than the virus is, why? Why are they desperately wanting to pad Corona virus numbers and deaths?
And this is the best post yet because of the wisdom in it. Why the medical martial law? Never had it for polio; small-pox, and all the other viruses. Why cripple the economy like never before? We have had 3 deaths (we have that many die in an auto accident), and only 17 hospitalizations in So. Dak., yet we have shut down schools, churches, and multitudes of small, non-essential businesses, and they are talking all summer into the fall. Looks like the same ol stuff, create a crisis, blow it up way out of proportion, and then when the public scream out for help, give them a bone, and steal another freedom or two. I am not saying that there is no such virus as the COVID-19, but how can you trust the news media to post the truth, they're owned by the same globalists/elitists that want a socialistic government.
 
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Have heard reports from other countries and now hearing reports from US. If someone comes in the hospital with injuries from a car crash. They do x rays of the chest, they are seeing symptoms in the lungs that that person has Corona virus. They test them and they test positive. Yet that person has zero physical symptoms or very minimal ,of Corona virus. If that person were to die from the injuries suffered from the accident. Their death would be classified as Corona virus related. I think there is a ton of this type of thing going on. The part we should be afraid of more than the virus is, why? Why are they desperately wanting to pad Corona virus numbers and deaths?
This is completely false.
The opposite is true. There are people who have died of covid over the past 4-6 weeks who are not counted because no testing was available at the time.
 
And this is the best post yet because of the wisdom in it. Why the medical martial law? Never had it for polio; small-pox, and all the other viruses. Why cripple the economy like never before? We have had 3 deaths (we have that many die in an auto accident), and only 17 hospitalizations in So. Dak., yet we have shut down schools, churches, and multitudes of small, non-essential businesses, and they are talking all summer into the fall. Looks like the same ol stuff, create a crisis, blow it up way out of proportion, and then when the public scream out for help, give them a bone, and steal another freedom or two. I am not saying that there is no such virus as the COVID-19, but how can you trust the news media to post the truth, they're owned by the same globalists/elitists that want a socialistic government.

Fox News is owned by someone who wants a socialistic government? The is a ton of media to the right and left. Now do journalists in general tend to skew left? Yep, but to pretend that all media is hard left is foolish.
 
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The hospital gets paid if you die from

No, it's true. For every Covid 19 death, the government pays for the treatment. Hospitals are abusing it to get paid.
Not true. Medicare adds $2k to the care of covid pts. That won’t come close to even one extra day in the hospital for these pts. All things being equal, hospitals earn profits on surgical cases and are lucky to break even on medical patients.
 
Not true. Medicare adds $2k to the care of covid pts. That won’t come close to even one extra day in the hospital for these pts. All things being equal, hospitals earn profits on surgical cases and are lucky to break even on medical patients.

And visits are down sharply across the board, with hospitals seeing 25-40% no show rates for appointments. It’s going to be ugly for our hospitals.
 
The comparison to annual flu deaths is rather silly. Yes, up to 80,000 in the U.S. die from the flu in a bad year, but that's for an entire year with no distancing or shutdown measures. More importantly, at no point does the healthcare system get overwhelmed in that scenario. For comparison, they're actually loading corpses into refrigerator trucks outside the hospitals in NYC because the morgues are full, NYC has put out a nationwide call for healthcare professionals to volunteer because they can't keep up, etc. That's never happened before. Now, what if that scenario played out in every major city in America? At the same time? That's really what this is about. The downside risk is so bad you just can't go there.
 
My preference is let's get to work and let's go play. That's the best-case scenario and I think that's what's going to happen. I don't have any doubt... I mean I have zero doubt that we're going to be playing. The stands are going to be packed and the Valley is going to be rocking. zero doubt. That's the only thought I have, right there. All that rest of the stuff, I don't think about any of that. … I mean, this is America man. We've stormed the beaches of Normandy, we've sent a car that drives around Mars, we've walked on the moon. This is the greatest country and the greatest people in the history of the planet. We've created an iPhone where I can sit here and talk to all you people in all these different places. We got the smartest people in the world. Listen, we're going to rise up and we're gonna kick this thing right in the teeth and we'll get back to our lives.”
Dabo Swinney
 
Here is Maddow’s words on March 20th:

In terms of the happy talk we`ve had on this front from the federal government, there is no sign that the Navy hospital ships that the president made such a big deal of, the Comfort and the Mercy, there`s no sign that they`ll be anywhere on-site helping out anywhere in the country for weeks yet. The president said when he announced that those ships would be put into action against the COVID-19 epidemic. He said one of those ships would be operational in New York harbor by next week. That`s nonsense. It will not be there next week.

I believe that one of the ships arrived in New York yesterday(March 30th). So, technically they didn’t quite make it next week(2 days late), they made it a lot earlier than she said they would.
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I'm really late to the party, but what's pathetic is that Maddow actually mis-quoted Trump then tries to claim he's wrong because of her own fake quote.

On 3/19 Trump said, "Those two ships are being prepared to go, and they can be launched over the next week or so."

Totally dishonest and this is exactly why people don't trust the MSM.
 
Technically you are correct. He referred to it as the Democrats new hoax.

Ha! Not too transparent there Rachel. Nice skip in that video; did you do that in an effort to deceive, or were you just trying to give us a feel for what its like inside Biden's brain? Since putting it in context would be counterproductive to your agenda, I'll help you out:

“Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax."

It is obvious to everyone who doesn't have a hard-on to impeach the guy, that it was a comment about Democrats coming after him for his handling of the issue. What is wrong with you people?
 
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I'm really late to the party, but what's pathetic is that Maddow actually mis-quoted Trump then tries to claim he's wrong because of her own fake quote.

On 3/19 Trump said, "Those two ships are being prepared to go, and they can be launched over the next week or so."

Totally dishonest and this is exactly why people don't trust the MSM.

And the completely smug, douche tone and attitude is a bonus.
 
Thread should have been deleted. The kind of ignorance/trolling it takes a sentence to post and a book to correct.

My day started with my members worried over whether and/or how you're supposed to embalm people who have died of this. They can hardly get PPE, a lot of the embalmers are older. They started rattling off how many cases they'd had and how many they embalmed. Everyone who posted had double digit deaths from COVID.

Our member in NYC followed by begging for help from anyone in upstate NY because they can't keep up with the deaths at their funeral home and he's having to turn people away. He said they're set up and staffed to do about 40 cases a month. He got 30 last week of March and has had 40 already first week of April.

Another member lost both his parents to COVID in the same week. One of the nicest guys I've ever met in my life, both parents. Same week.

US can't/won't hit 100K deaths? It's been a month and we're at 10K and that's just the people they tested and added to the count. You have any idea how under-tested we still are as a country?

"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention counts only deaths in which the presence of the coronavirus is confirmed in a laboratory test. “We know that it is an underestimation,” agency spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said.

A widespread lack of access to testing in the early weeks of the U.S. outbreak means people with respiratory illnesses died without being counted, epidemiologists say. Even now, some people who die at home or in overburdened nursing homes are not being tested, according to funeral directors, medical examiners and nursing home representatives.

Postmortem testing by medical examiners varies widely across the country, and some officials say testing the dead is a misuse of scarce resources that could be used on the living. In addition, some people who have the virus test negative, experts say.
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Thread should have been deleted. The kind of ignorance/trolling it takes a sentence to post and a book to correct.

My day started with my members worried over whether and/or how you're supposed to embalm people who have died of this. They can hardly get PPE, a lot of the embalmers are older. They started rattling off how many cases they'd had and how many they embalmed. Everyone who posted had double digit deaths from COVID.

Our member in NYC followed by begging for help from anyone in upstate NY because they can't keep up with the deaths at their funeral home and he's having to turn people away. He said they're set up and staffed to do about 40 cases a month. He got 30 last week of March and has had 40 already first week of April.

Another member lost both his parents to COVID in the same week. One of the nicest guys I've ever met in my life, both parents. Same week.

US can't/won't hit 100K deaths? It's been a month and we're at 10K and that's just the people they tested and added to the count. You have any idea how under-tested we still are as a country?

"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention counts only deaths in which the presence of the coronavirus is confirmed in a laboratory test. “We know that it is an underestimation,” agency spokeswoman Kristen Nordlund said.

A widespread lack of access to testing in the early weeks of the U.S. outbreak means people with respiratory illnesses died without being counted, epidemiologists say. Even now, some people who die at home or in overburdened nursing homes are not being tested, according to funeral directors, medical examiners and nursing home representatives.

Postmortem testing by medical examiners varies widely across the country, and some officials say testing the dead is a misuse of scarce resources that could be used on the living. In addition, some people who have the virus test negative, experts say.
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It’s more exciting to imagine it’s a big globalist socialist Muslim Jade Helm conspiracy to take ur freedoms because the hospitals and The Media are in cahoots and getting rich and stuff, though.
 
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