for some he would have to resurrect the dead to break evenThanks. So do you have measurable metrics that help you define success?
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for some he would have to resurrect the dead to break evenThanks. So do you have measurable metrics that help you define success?
I agree. What is it for you?for some he would have to resurrect the dead to break even
I agree.What I’m seeing here is a lack of any concrete statements or evaluations. This is what I suspected. If you are team Trump, there’s little that he can do or not do that will convince you that he’s lagged behind where he should be. If you’re team anti-Trump, it seems nothing can be done to convince you - “hey he’s done some good work here”.
that’s why I encourage everyone to have something tangible and measurable - otherwise you’re just cheering for your “team”.
Agree. How are you going to judge OUR handling of the pandemic?I agree.
The whole world's response was delayed and responded poorly.
The WHO and China failed everyone.
Not sure. We really don't have much history to pull from. All he can do is provide updates and relief to places that need it in a timely manner.I agree. What is it for you?
I think New York failed miserablyAgree. How are you going to judge OUR handling of the pandemic?
Did you see the article I shared in the last thread about Taiwan’s response? They have only had 200 cases, despite being next door to China. Their schools are open, bars and restaurants are open. factories are open, mass transit is up and running.I agree.
The whole world's response was delayed and responded poorly.
The WHO and China failed everyone.
The economy isn't designed to be shutdown. Some of your concerns have some validity such as slow wage growth, but companies not saving enough isn't one of them. In a normal economy, there's more productive things companies should be doing with their assets besides hoarding cash. There's more productive things they should be doing besides stock buybacks too but I'll leave that for another day. There's nothing wrong imo with bailing out companies who have to shutdown due to an extraordinary event, just as long as the people get their share too which is what has happened.The economy is stale, Trump targeted 3% GDP growth and only got 2.3% in 2019, any semblance of debt reduction or deficit reduction is gone. Wage growth is low, the stock market reflects massive debt issuance and stock buybacks driving the price hikes. We are having to bail industries out that have had years of record profits and failed to plan for the next rainy day.
With that said the market drop was coming anyway, the virus just spooked people to safer targets.
The economy is stale, Trump targeted 3% GDP growth and only got 2.3% in 2019, any semblance of debt reduction or deficit reduction is gone. Wage growth is low, the stock market reflects massive debt issuance and stock buybacks driving the price hikes. We are having to bail industries out that have had years of record profits and failed to plan for the next rainy day.
With that said the market drop was coming anyway, the virus just spooked people to safer targets.
Maybe a comparison against other western countries? Normalize by per capita?Not sure. We really don't have much history to pull from. All he can do is provide updates and relief to places that need it in a timely manner.
New York is in the US right?I think New York failed miserably
Then the US is doing pretty good if the numbers are accurate.Maybe a comparison against other western countries? Normalize by per capita?
Yes, and NY is the biggest issue. Local government failed terribly.New York is in the US right?
And for others he could commit murder in broad daylight and it would be OK. Probably why we should move on from discussing his job performance, because it seems so many have dug their heels in and won’t change their stance no mater what actually happens.for some he would have to resurrect the dead to break even
Yes, and NY is the biggest issue. Local government failed terribly.
Not sure I will ask. There definitely needs to be set in stone protocolsTrue, you don't want a national edict/law/rule coming from Washington, the local leaders need to step up too.
@mwulf , did your friend have special testing before entering the airplane? If so, wonder what our agreements are with these countries.
If not, this needs a change
Less than a month ago NY was saying that ones shouldn't worry about the virus and to go about their lives. They said that they were more than prepared.I mean no one is really killing it and there's articles at the local level where local officials are begging for national, unified response. There were a couple out of Texas today I believe. There's also an article talking about how states are banding together in regions (ND/SD/MN/Wisc) to coordinate restrictions because the federal response has been nada.
Isnt that kinda where Mississippi is right now?Less than a month ago they were saying that ones shouldn't worry about the virus and to go about their lives. They said that they were more than prepared.
yes, both are wrongAnd for others he could commit murder in broad daylight and it would be OK. Probably why we should move on from discussing his job performance, because it seems so many have dug their heels in and won’t change their stance no mater what actually happens.
113,000 cases and potentially an exponential climb up from there. Versus near 0 cases if international travel would have been shutdown right away. I'm not blaming him for not doing it and I'm not saying he had all the information or that anybody else would have reacted any differently. He's doing an okay job just like a lot of other world leaders. He's doing a good job at pointing out the problems with past trade agreements we've had and the problems they cause for American workers. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter. I don't hate Trump like most Democrats do. I don't particularly like Trump, but I don't hate him either and saying that he's doing an okay job doesn't mean I hate him.Thanks. So do you have measurable metrics that help you define success?
I haven't checked but I'll take your word for it.Isnt that kinda where Mississippi is right now?
Less than a month ago NY was saying that ones shouldn't worry about the virus and to go about their lives. They said that they were more than prepared.
and yet our Feds reacted quicker than most of the world's. There was no perfect response because the WHO messed up bad.There's room for multiple dumb asses in the world as I said in the other thread.
The fact that So and So at the local level is screwing up, doesn't abdicate the Feds from their responsbility.
I’m actually just throwing out an option for you. I’m not dictating what you choose. And if that is your choice then we should see how we do when it’s all said and done.Then the US is doing pretty good if the numbers are accurate.
Below UK, Iran, Spain, Italy
and yet our Feds reacted quicker than most of the world's. There was no perfect response because the WHO messed up bad.
Who said that?Less than a month ago NY was saying that ones shouldn't worry about the virus and to go about their lives. They said that they were more than prepared.
Do any of you really believe any US president could have stopped this from occurring? Ok, maybe Truman would have bombed the virus but that’s about it. Once China hid the severity, there was nothing anyone else could do. That’s why nearly every country in the world is suffering.
So what is there secret?Did you see the article I shared in the last thread about Taiwan’s response. They have only had 200 cases, despite being next door to China. Their schools are open, bars and restaurants are open. factories are open, mass transit is up and running.
I’m still awaiting your metrics for the country. And will you stick by them or selectively blame cities that have D Governors?Yes, and NY is the biggest issue. Local government failed terribly.
And for others he could commit murder in broad daylight and it would be OK. Probably why we should move on from discussing his job performance, because it seems so many have dug their heels in and won’t change their stance no mater what actually happens.
Taiwan and other Asian countries (including China) tested like crazy. They made everyone stay home except for trips to get food which were regulated. When you went into a building they took temperatures. If you were high they quarantined or had you get a test. If you tested positive the government paid for your hospitalization for 2 weeks. They didn’t F around and they are seeing the benefits of it now. Beijing has 30 million people. Doubt China’s numbers - as we should, but Beijing has under 1000 cases. That’s astonishing even if they are holding back some numbers. They aren’t nearly as decimated as one would expect.So what is there secret?
Shut off travel to and from China, tested everyone. Mandatory quarantine for those testing positive. Temp checks going in and out of public places. Most important was probably how quick they started it. They distrusted China from their experience with SARS, so they didn’t listen to them and started these measures right away.So what is there secret?
Please. This virus didn’t take 5+ months to get here.113,000 cases and potentially an exponential climb up from there. Versus near 0 cases if international travel would have been shutdown right away. I'm not blaming him for not doing it and I'm not saying he had all the information or that anybody else would have reacted any differently. He's doing an okay job just like a lot of other world leaders. He's doing a good job at pointing out the problems with past trade agreements we've had and the problems they cause for American workers. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter. I don't hate Trump like most Democrats do. I don't particularly like Trump, but I don't hate him either and saying that he's doing an okay job doesn't mean I hate him.
For that to be true, then we should have seen a run on ERs in big cities by people with unexplained pneumonia-like symptoms the last couple of months. Has that been the case? Honest question, I don't know. I presume somebody is looking into that.Please. This virus didn’t take 5+ months to get here.
There have already been hundreds of thousands, if not millions of cases in the US. Experts have conceded it’s been here since January, probably earlier.