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First off, that science argument doesn't hold water. Trump has put money back into NASA and projected our investments into space exploration that Obama cared nothing about (he sent NASA scientists to the Mideast in 2009 as part of a program meant to make those countries feel good about themselves - Google it). His administration rewards research and development from the private sector far more than Obama ever would. Drug companies have zero reason to pursue much of the expensive R&D work that socialized medicine would make completely cost-ineffective. It's the Republican party that acknowledges the actual time that life begins and not the one that tries to call it a lump of cells. It's Trump and the Republican party that seem to be the only ones willing to make hard decsions based on medical science like closing borders rather than act like the morons in Italy that were hugging Chinese people. Our technology companies have slowly come to realize their future is with the Republican party, and not with a party that is slowly creeping toward socialism. It's DJT that took a hardline with China in the first place, the country that steals our technology and violates our patent laws. Science is not a woke, foodstamp president. I could go on and on with this one.
Obama's handling of NASA was bad, but I don't think Trump is much better. NASA's budget has barely moved since Trump took office. I don't know what evidence you have that Trump supports R&D more than Obama. I agree the only thing that could have stopped coronavirus was closing down borders, but even that had a high chance of failing.
 
Are you able to leave Trump out of this and look at all known information logically?
Sure. I’m not the one that shared a Tucker Carlson tweet. Do you think the leader of the few world should take advice from Tucker Carlson when he calls?
 
Obama's handling of NASA was bad, but I don't think Trump is much better. NASA's budget has barely moved since Trump took office. I don't know what evidence you have that Trump supports R&D more than Obama. I agree the only thing that could have stopped coronavirus was closing down borders, but even that had a high chance of failing.

OMG, why is this a democrat/republican issue. Who gives a sh!t about who did what? I'll give you a run down. Trump - bad, Obama - bad, W - bad, Clinton- bad, Bush the 1st - bad, Reagan - ? implemented easy money policy to combat the 70s, which helped, but nobody turned the spigot off since. Carter - Might be the best of the bunch, crazy to say. Ford - who knows, he sure didn't. Nixon - paranoid. I'll end there.
 
I think it is a joke that a TV personality would have the ear of the President and that a “news” reporter would feel they can influence the President. The President of the US has the top scientific minds in the world at his disposal, he is privy to all kinds of info Tucker Carlson isn’t. He should give this clown’s opinion about as much thought as any schmuck off the street.
thanks. that wasn't the question.
 
Sure. I’m not the one that shared a Tucker Carlson tweet. Do you think the leader of the few world should take advice from Tucker Carlson when he calls?
Do you think it was bad that Trump took the call and listened to what he said? Whether we like Carlson or not, he IS an extremely bright guy. I don't always agree with his opinion but he did our country a service by getting Trump to take COVID-19 more seriously.
 
It's quite unfortunate that Trump is useless in this situation, but that was predicted based on his lifetime performance in business and the first three years of his presidency. So no, I'm not thrilled. But I live in the real world, not one made up by Fox News.

Considering every single thing he has done, said, or suggested in regards to the virus has been panned by the same whiners i've been listening to for years, color me doubtful he could have done said or suggested anything that would have been good enough for those same people who are still whining about....everything.
 
Do you think it was bad that Trump took the call and listened to what he said? Whether we like Carlson or not, he IS an extremely bright guy. I don't always agree with his opinion but he did our country a service by getting Trump to take COVID-19 more seriously.
I had no idea Trump actually took the call and listened. I hope that it was nothing more than a courtesy, as he has actual scientist and knowledgeable people working for him (and we will just have to agree to disagree about how bright Tucker Carlson is). I also find it a little troubling that one news outlet has so much influence over the President.
 
I had no idea Trump actually took the call and listened. I hope that it was nothing more than a courtesy, as he has actual scientist and knowledgeable people working for him (and we will just have to agree to disagree about how bright Tucker Carlson is). I also find it a little troubling that one news outlet has so much influence over the President.
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I believe the question was if Tucker Claraon should be calling the President to offer advice. My answer is HELL NO.

I'm not a TDS (although that is my initials (crazy)), but taking a call and making policy based on that call are two different things. How can you hold answering the phone against someone? There must be a past relationship, or why would you even answer the call?
 
I had no idea Trump actually took the call and listened. I hope that it was nothing more than a courtesy, as he has actual scientist and knowledgeable people working for him (and we will just have to agree to disagree about how bright Tucker Carlson is). I also find it a little troubling that one news outlet has so much influence over the President.
I believe that to some degree Trump trusts certain people to give him a real world perspective on what is going on. Presidents get hit on all angles from different view points from persuasive people. He had no doubt some people advising him that COVID-19 would die off like SARS did and never cause much of a problem here due to our different culture. Well it turns out that urban areas like New York aren't all that much different than Wuhan.
 
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The White House's coronavirus task force has said it expects at least 100,000 U.S. deaths from the virus in the coming weeks and months.

And that’s with the measures put in place.
 
I'm not a TDS (although that is my initials (crazy)), but taking a call and making policy based on that call are two different things. How can you hold answering the phone against someone? There must be a past relationship, or why would you even answer the call?
I don’t hold it against him, that’s not what I’m saying. I would hold it against him, if he actually made policy decisions based on the opinion of a TV personality. I am saying Tucker Carlson is not qualified to advise the President and the poster saying he is, is insane.
 
So you think Tucker Carlson should advise the White House. Explains a lot
I think that anybody who is as smart as Carlson and who can get the President's ear no matter what party he is in, should most DEFINITELY offer honest opinions to the President. IF nobody will tell the President that he's wrong about something we've got a problem. Do you not realize how many advisors the President has? One more who somewhat lives in the real world can't hurt.
 
I don’t hold it against him, that’s not what I’m saying. I would hold it against him, if he actually made policy decisions based on the opinion of a TV personality. I am saying Tucker Carlson is not qualified to advise the President and the poster saying he is, is insane.

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So you think Tucker Carlson should advise the White House. Explains a lot
exactly what I said, I appreciate the translation.

in my opinion, it sounds to me like he said exactly what you'd have wanted anyone to have said with that platform. you're just too dug in to admit it because he works for a different 3-letter network than you prefer.

pathetic.
 
I don’t hold it against him, that’s not what I’m saying. I would hold it against him, if he actually made policy decisions based on the opinion of a TV personality. I am saying Tucker Carlson is not qualified to advise the President and the poster saying he is, is insane.
Carlson is FAR more qualified to advise the President than you are to say that he isn't. He worked for CNN for 5 years and then MSNBC for 3 years. He also was a print columnist for a national political newspaper. I get that you don't like Carlson. We don't get to pick the President's advisers.
 
I don’t hold it against him, that’s not what I’m saying. I would hold it against him, if he actually made policy decisions based on the opinion of a TV personality. I am saying Tucker Carlson is not qualified to advise the President and the poster saying he is, is insane.
thanks. another 100% accurate translation. your ability to be objective is very admirable.
 
I think that anybody who is as smart as Carlson and who can get the President's ear no matter what party he is in, should most DEFINITELY offer honest opinions to the President. IF nobody will tell the President that he's wrong about something we've got a problem. Do you not realize how many advisors the President has? One more who somewhat lives in the real world can't hurt.
I respect you, but I could not disagree more, sorry. Carlson is simply an entertainer. Trump should hear from people that will tell him no, but they should be actual experts in their fields, that understand all the ramifications, etc. There are literally millions of people in this country more qualified than Tucker Carlson to advise the President. Nothing wrong with taking a call from whoever, but if Tucker Carlson’s option is even shaking the President's opinion .1%, God help us all.
 
I respect you, but I could not disagree more, sorry. Carlson is simply an entertainer. Trump should hear from people that will tell him no, but they should be actual experts in their fields, that understand all the ramifications, etc. There are literally millions of people in this country more qualified than Tucker Carlson to advise the President. Nothing wrong with taking a call from whoever, but if Tucker Carlson’s option is even shaking the President's opinion .1%, God help us all.
Yeah given his resume and the fact that he has been involved in political discourse with 3 major networks and a national newspaper for a total of roughly 30 years I think that he is more than qualified to discuss policy matters with the President.
 
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thanks. another 100% accurate translation. your ability to be objective is very admirable.
How is this not objective? Because you like said TV personality? Please don’t pretend to know my political beliefs and positions. You are the one who can’t seem to have any objectivity here.
 
The “normal” flu vaccine even if it’s not completely effective against stopping the current years flu lessens the symptoms and longevity of the flu if you happen to get it.

This is not my area of expertise, but if corona class viruses have been studied since the 70s why hasn’t there been a vaccine developed that may not have stopped the covid, but would at the very least lessen its symptoms? Any virologists on this board?
 
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I respect you, but I could not disagree more, sorry. Carlson is simply an entertainer. Trump should hear from people that will tell him no, but they should be actual experts in their fields, that understand all the ramifications, etc. There are literally millions of people in this country more qualified than Tucker Carlson to advise the President. Nothing wrong with taking a call from whoever, but if Tucker Carlson’s option is even shaking the President's opinion .1%, God help us all.
my post, of course, was about the message he sent (take this seriously), and zero about his credentials.

why you've turned it into that, I can't imagine.
 
Yeah given his resume and the fact that he has been involved in political discourse with 3 major networks and a national newspaper for a total of roughly 30 years I think that he is more than qualified to discuss policy matters with the President.

He’s probably more qualified than the President, not intended as a ringing endorsement.
 
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How is this not objective? Because you like said TV personality? Please don’t pretend to know my political beliefs and positions. You are the one who can’t seem to have any objectivity here.
you've turned my very simple post and question (do you agree with his message?) into a very lengthy argument with yourself.
 
my post, of course, was about the message he sent (take this seriously), and zero about his credentials.

why you've turned it into that, I can't imagine.
Because it was already about that (see post about him bad mouthing Dr. Fauci) before you jumped in to continue pushing your political agenda.
 
Because it was already about that (see post about him bad mouthing Dr. Fauci) before you jumped in to continue pushing your political agenda.
I don't have an agenda, don't watch fox news, don't care one way or another about carlson.

that story is about the wisdom of having a medical expert dictate public policy, not 'bad mouthing Dr Fauci'. a fair question, if you ask me.

he told the president to take COVID seriously. I asked you if you agree with his message. you've done nothing but dodge that question.
 
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The “normal” flu vaccine even if it’s not completely effective against stopping the current years flu lessens the symptoms and longevity of the flu if you happen to get it.

This is not my area of expertise, but if corona class viruses have been studied since the 70s why hasn’t there been a vaccine developed that may not have stopped the covid, but would at the very least lessen its symptoms? Any virologists on this board?

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...s-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091

Money, SARS and MERS were fairly well controlled and funding dried up.
 
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