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Could Zach Evans be Frosts 1st 5 star?

In my 25+ years following my beloved Huskers, this is what I normally see happen:

Incredible hype by the sunshine pumpers
Kid starts from day 1.
Kid loses starting role in week 4 due to disciplinary issues.
Kid hates it and threatens to quit. Didn't come to "Braska" to ride the bench.
Kid transfers to a JUCO. Never heard from ever again.
10 years later in jail for commiting the most horrible crime possible.
What kid can we compare to Zach Evans? Have we had 5 star kids come and leave? Someone said he is the 7th best ranked rb for 247 EVER. There is turnover in college football but you still try and get the best players possible.
 
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, I would take him in a minute.

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Don't know anything about him BUT we also shouldn't forget we just had to get rid of a talented RB with baggage. It's important not to have trouble makers on the team if they hinder a positive team culture.

So, not knowing the situation with this kid, I'll let Held and Frost figure it out and who they want on the team. That's their job.
B.S! Mo didn't hinder us because he broke rules...he hindered us because he wasn't a well-rounded football player. He could barely stay on the field. If he was a 2000 yard rusher I guarantee he would still be on the team. This is an absolute cutthroat business. The chances of a problem 5 star being an All-american is still higher than a well-adjusted 3 star...it is just the way it is...CF is a niche product...niche products need talent.
 
Not all players are created equal. Better players get treated better. Sports isn’t socialism for f-sake. The minute you realize that, the better you are. The reason some of the players are having issues with that under Frost and also issues with the way AM is treated is because they were Mikes recruits. He didn’t give preferential treatment and the types of kids he recruited weren’t the type of kids that could handle being unequal due to talent. Unfortunately, in life things aren’t equal. A star player is going to get a little bit more leeway and a little more benefit then an OK or average guy. If my players had an issue with that, I’d tell them get better on the field

Let’s put it this way, if your making your company a ton of money, show up late. See if they give a rats ass. Now do the same and be an average employee.

sign Zach up. I like my backs to play with some edge. I don’t think we’ve had that in a very very long time.

I would venture to guess that when it becomes divisive in the locker room, then as the head guy, you've given a player too much latitude. When you're allowing a player to miss workouts, show up late for meetings, and smell like weed all the time, you're undermining your own team.
 
There is a time in mosts kids life where they realizes certain adults just don't have their crap together and/or are stupid.

Being told to surrender your cell phone sounds like one of those times..
 
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You know we're gonna be good again when we start getting more of these type of guys on the team, just like the good ole days
 
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At least 9 members of the coaching staff/university are following Evans, as are at least two players. The only coaches Evans follows are at LSU and he only follows just over 100 people total.

For reference, at least 13 coaches/people associated with the university and four players are following Kris Abraims-Draine. KAD is following at least 12 Husker related pages including several of the behind the scenes offensive guys and Coach Chins, but is not following HCSF. He's also following Coach Pruitt at Tennessee.

Tea leaves, read into them whatever you like. I say at least because I only looked at mutual follows because it's simple and quick to analyze.
 
Frost and Held have recently followed Zach Evans on twitter. This could mean nothing OR could Frost try a late push on a kid who has struggled making a decision?

Does anybody keep up with twitter and know if this is the norm? Does Frost follow random recruits or just guys he is recruiting?

I’d love to have him but I just don’t see it happening. If...if he does, it’s because he thinks he can start from day one. But then again, Scott Frost came out of no where with KeShawn Greene, got him to visit and locked his commitment all down in a week to 2 weeks time.
 
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What kid can we compare to Zach Evans? Have we had 5 star kids come and leave? Someone said he is the 7th best ranked rb for 247 EVER. There is turnover in college football but you still try and get the best players possible.

Marlon Lucky was the last 5 star RB we had and Lucky was about the same range as Evans. Both Top 13 player in the Country.

 
Lol flick started a thread about this thread on the iowa board
 
I would suggest that LP was in fact a success at NU. On the field, he would be EVERYTHING we would want in a player at any position. Nobody ever questioned his effort in practice or in games. He was a total team player when given the proper motivation. The fact he was kept on the team was in my opinion the direct result of Scott Baldwin a couple years prior. He was a similarly gifted running back(not as good as LP) who had hardwired mental stuff going on. It is very difficult to rewire some kid that has been messed up from his childhood. T.O is the closest thing to fixing L.P. as anyone has come. He got paid as a pro and no longer had a group of people that cared if he succeeded other than on the field. L.P. quickly lost interest. His hardwired instincts kicked in. There is a video of Nick Saban talking about what is best for kids in this case. He wondered aloud if these kids were better off just kicking them loose or having some faith in them and guiding them while they play football for you.
 
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Zach Evans will probably come to Nebraska when Joe Brady gets hired as the offensive coordinator. I heard that he really liked the way Brady utilized Edwards-Helaire at LSU and thinks Brady will use him the same way at Nebraska. Why is this even a thread?
 
I would suggest that LP was in fact a success at NU. On the field, he would be EVERYTHING we would want in a player at any position. Nobody ever questioned his effort in practice or in games. He was a total team player when given the proper motivation. The fact he was kept on the team was in my opinion the direct result of Scott Baldwin a couple years prior. He was a similarly gifted running back(not as good as LP) who had hardwired mental stuff going on. It is very difficult to rewire some kid that has been messed up from his childhood. T.O is the closest thing to fixing L.P. as anyone has come. He got paid as a pro and no longer had a group of people that cared if he succeeded other than on the field. L.P. quickly lost interest. His hardwired instincts kicked in. There is a video of Nick Saban talking about what is best for kids in this case. He wondered aloud if these kids were better off just kicking them loose or having some faith in them and guiding them while they play football for you.

My definition of success is meant more for off the field. Was the kid good in the community, didn’t end up in jail, didn’t kill anyone. Ya know...
 
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B.S! Mo didn't hinder us because he broke rules...he hindered us because he wasn't a well-rounded football player. He could barely stay on the field. If he was a 2000 yard rusher I guarantee he would still be on the team. This is an absolute cutthroat business. The chances of a problem 5 star being an All-american is still higher than a well-adjusted 3 star...it is just the way it is...CF is a niche product...niche products need talent.

You make a hypothetical that wasn't going to happen. Ability will only go so far. You need to be coachable and open to learning and developing as a player and person. You make it sound like he can go from zero to sixty with nothing but his raw ability. He simply was no where near that good and few are. It is still a team sport and in this day of social media there are additional pressures and temptations.
 
If culture is or was a big problem on this team and was costing us games, as the coaches gave us every indication to believe, you don’t solve the culture problem by bringing in uber talented players with this kind of baggage.

We saw how it ended up with Maurice, and this is eerily similar on a number of levels.
Sounds like the kid was suspended a couple times last season with the final one being that everyone had to turn in their cell phones the night before the championship game and Evans refused and made a big scene over it.

I can see both sides with this. Yes, we need to take chances sometimes and this kid is good enough to take a chance on. However, this program is NOT the kind of stable, established program a kid like this would actually need. So I say "pass"....
 
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I know many around here want a "clean" program all the way around. They have the presumption that, that is how TO ran things. Which is horribly inaccurate. TO tried to run a clean program and Im sure that was his goal, but his players weren't angels by any means.
Many of these kids come from less then perfect home life and use football as a means to escape from their issues. We can't pass on every top player that has some issues or baggage. Now yes I agree, it depends on what the baggage is. The idea that Nebraska can only go after player who have a perfect life and no issues is silly. If that is true we would have very few recruits to choose from. My thought is take a shot with any kid who is willing to give us the time of day. Deal with any issues they have down the road. If there comes a point where their issues become a distraction to the team or to the safety of others, then yes they may need to move on.
Hopefully down the road we can be a bit more picky on who we have to take and not, but for now bring em all in.

To add to your history of coach Osborne. He also had a number of very talented players on the roster that no one remembers today. That's because they missed too many practices doing time in the state penitentiary. I believe you have to have a great work ethic and positive attitudes on the team before you can bring in someone with behaviors and attitudes that are contrary to the values the coaches say they are trying to build. We aren't there yet and it seems to me bringing in guys with proven issues will delay the process.
 
Pretty sure OP he will not play football for Nebraska. Just my 2 cents.
 
To add to your history of coach Osborne. He also had a number of very talented players on the roster that no one remembers today. That's because they missed too many practices doing time in the state penitentiary. I believe you have to have a great work ethic and positive attitudes on the team before you can bring in someone with behaviors and attitudes that are contrary to the values the coaches say they are trying to build. We aren't there yet and it seems to me bringing in guys with proven issues will delay the process.
That is very good point. TO had the culture built. So having those type of "problem" guys on the roster could be dealt with or just ignored much easier and not have their attitude and behavior rub off or hurt the rest of the team. We don't have that yet, so these type of player become more of problem than what they are worth. IE MO
 
There is a time in mosts kids life where they realizes certain adults just don't have their crap together and/or are stupid.

Being told to surrender your cell phone sounds like one of those times..
Sure asking them to give up your cell phone is a bit much, but completely losing it and getting suspended before the championship game says a lot about the kid. Apparently he thinks rules don't apply to him. There are a lot of situations in life where things will not go your way and if giving up a smart phone like the rest of the team is some form of extreme adversity for this kid, well I hate to see what he does when real problems come his way.
 
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Sure asking them to give up your cell phone is a bit much, but completely losing it and getting suspended before the championship game says a lot about the kid. Apparently he thinks rules don't apply to him. There are a lot of situations in life where things will not go your way and if giving up a smart phone like the rest of the team is some form of extreme adversity for this kid, well I hate to see what he does when real problems come his way.
From my understanding, it wasn’t like he argued with the coach and said he wasn’t turning it in.
It was more like he tried to get by with not turning in his phone, or turning in a “burner”, then got caught using his phone after he was in the room for the night.
 
Sounds like the kid was suspended a couple times last season with the final one being that everyone had to turn in their cell phones the night before the championship game and Evans refused and made a big scene over it.

I can see both sides with this. Yes, we need to take chances sometimes and this kid is good enough to take a chance on. However, this program is NOT the kind of stable, established program a kid like this would actually need. So I say "pass"....
Sounds like a ridiculous policy.
 
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