Because we missed the critical window to test! We were unprepared. S. Korea is not locked down, do you realize the economic fallout?
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Because we missed the critical window to test! We were unprepared. S. Korea is not locked down, do you realize the economic fallout?
No argument here about South Koreas response.
However, could you clarify the window you are talking about? Dates perhaps?
Also, two of your points contradict each other. While I agree that testing needs to become more available, I fail to see how the number of tests available would change much. Couple this with what you said about you staying home not being a well thought out plan....isnt that what every nation, yes including south Korea, is doing or did?
And we are simply not going to agree on how we should have somehow been prepared for this economically. No one is prepared for this economically, unless your economy already sucks.
If we had more tests, wouldnt we still be telling people to stay home? Dont we know that
-the virus can be caught by anyone
-the virus can produce severe symptoms leading to pneumonia and death
-the virus can lead to mild cold like symptoms varying in degree
-people can have the virus and have no idea at all; they display no symptoms
-immune compromised and ill members of our society are at greater risk if exposed
-You can expose others even if you have no symptoms
We also know that in order to get the test, regardless of the number of kits available
-you have to want the test
-go to the doctor.
Why would anyone carrying this virus but showing zero to mild symptoms go and get tested, even if tests available?
Also, if someone were to go get tested ad the results were negative, wouldnt they have to return the next day? And the next? And the following and get tested routinely to be sure they never get it?
The point is that we are already doing what we would be doing with more testing: telling people to stay home and avoid crowds. While I agree we need more tests, I think many people are over-valuing what those tests would actually accomplish in ending this. And I think its common human nature to want to feel like we should be doing more even if it doesn't really make a difference. During the red scare we hid students under desks; today we believe testing would somehow cure us.
I'm asking you, you're the one that made the statement. I don't know that there was any buffer window of much significance; I have no idea what information they were receiving or how truthful it was, so assuming we were getting all of the info. to make a fully informed decision, early on, is way too much. I don't disagree that our abilities to adjust and respond must be better, but I don't know that we have seen anything like this for a long, long time. That doesn't make it okay that our system wasn't better prepared to deal with it. We are going to take our lumps, it very much appears that relief is on the way, and we will be ready the next time something like this takes place.
“China is done. It’s over. They **** up.”
“We missed the critical window. We were unprepared.”
The past matters or it doesn't.
I thought it all started with the spying, before he was elected, or, was it when he was on tv?
Somebody clear this up before it hits cnn
Not smart. My feet aren't dug in by any means, but you post your opinion as if it is fact, information is posted which directly refutes your fact, and then you don't provide a substantive response. It's okay, there are a lot of people like you who read a headline and if it makes you feel good, use it to support your opinion without having any ability to explain it. It's funny, you used the word "rationally." He he he.
Way outta tune. It was called the wuhan virus by everyone until certain people tried to change the narrative, an old shtick, foolish and ignorant.
Sounds to me like saying one of our LBs is really only a D lineman. But no, he's a real LB that plays on the line.
One is an utter lie, pointing a change in structure. Hateful and destructive.
You know what's great about Rocky IV? There's a music montage about an hour in that completely recaps the first hour. You know, in case you started late or something. I appreciate that.
Ask yourself, what was our elected leaders involved in during the beginning of this? Why ignore something thats only happened only three times in our history to point out something thatjs only happened once or twice?
You say the system failed, but seventeen days after china had told the world health organization that this wasn't transmitted between people, the president shut their flights down, then did something not done in over 60 years, by quaranteeing those people, and you say things weren't good enough, maybe not, but I wont forget these actions so cavalierly
You know whats great about rocky4, its more factual than the headlines you believe.
Right! I've counted four in just the time I've been watching it. There's literally back to back montages at one point. Lol
I'm not sure. Was that during the first Russia Workout Montage or the second? In either event I'm going to say stunt double. That's how.What's great about Rocky IV? His workout montage where he winds up on top of a huge mountain. Like seriously, how did he do that?
Wow. You sure acted "cavalierly" when you typed that gigantic run-on sentence.
Did Trump’s administration handle preparing for this well starting back in January? Probably not. Probably would have been a lot easier if the other side of the aisle wouldn’t have been focused on a ridiculous impeachment scheme at the time this became known in China. Political party power is more important! So there’s plenty of blame to go around.
A very wise man once said, "if I can change, and you can change...everybody can change".
Enlightening words we could all take to heart.
Enlightening words we could all take to heart.
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Yea ,not good 2008/ 09 swine flu (crickets) as 284,000 died WWD. Yet CNN was only doing stories of finding Patient Zero. (Gee he looks healthy) And China Joe was flying in on AF1 with Jr for a Job interview. What a total BS response to a WW pandemic.
When I replaced my water spigot the one made in America was $4 more. I bought that one.
Companies should bring manufacturing home and pay all employees better wages. It could be a matter of national security.
Hey, whatever you need to believe so your boy Trump isn't to blame.
Dude doesn't even read his daily intelligence briefing... of course he missed how big this was. He continues to treat this as a PR problem, but the virus doesn't care, it keeps on killing. That's what the real tragedy is, so many thousands of lives will be lost due to his incompetence.
If we had good testing we could know where the virus is and isolate the hotspots. That's what South Korea has done. Instead we have to shut down entire states because we're flying blind. There goes the economy.
The next absolute tragedy is the shortage of medical supplies and hospital beds. Trump could use the Defense Production Act to mass manufacture what is needed, but he refuses because "that's socialism". In a week or two when everything runs out the death toll is going to skyrocket.
I don't know how bad it has to get for people to realize we have terrible leadership, but we're on the fast track to being the most affected country in the world, and it's going to be a tragedy.
Dude doesn't even read his daily intelligence briefing... of course he missed how big this was. He continues to treat this as a PR problem, but the virus doesn't care, it keeps on killing. That's what the real tragedy is, so many thousands of lives will be lost due to his incompetence.
If we had good testing we could know where the virus is and isolate the hotspots. That's what South Korea has done. Instead we have to shut down entire states because we're flying blind. There goes the economy.
The next absolute tragedy is the shortage of medical supplies and hospital beds. Trump could use the Defense Production Act to mass manufacture what is needed, but he refuses because "that's socialism". In a week or two when everything runs out the death toll is going to skyrocket.
I don't know how bad it has to get for people to realize we have terrible leadership, but we're on the fast track to being the most affected country in the world, and it's going to be a tragedy.
Plenty of blame to go around. True.
It would be nice if we could discuss issues on here without resorting to partisan bickering. It's like a bunch of school children on here.
The Wu flu tried to infect Chuck Norris, the Wu flu is now quarantined.
So what? Inflammatory bullshit makes up a huge amount of what's being posted up here in regards to the Wuhan virus. Is this suddenly something that's not acceptable? If so, there are a bunch of folks who need to self quarantine.
There it is, was wondering how long it would take for the race card to be played - This is a China virus and no that is not racist unless you have a hive mind
This. I'm guilty as charged. This has to change going forward.
We probably could make more items in the US and our booming economy was starting to show that. The biggest barrier to growth in US manufacturing is no employees. I've been in manufacturing for 25 years. I can't believe how hard it is to find people willing to work for $15 to $25 an hour, inside with temperature control, a clean and mind challenging job.
Heck we would post an off shift manager position for $50k to $60k and be lucky to get a handful of candidates. Yet our local school will get nearly 2 hundred applicants for one elementary education position.
Heck we would post an off shift manager position for $50k to $60k and be lucky to get a handful of candidates. Yet our local school will get nearly 2 hundred applicants for one elementary education position.
Dudz on politics: “If I say it, it’s true.” Seems everyone is a racist, since everyone said it, but now a select few very recently became extra woke and realize how racist they were just a month ago, but now they are doing the good work of enlightening us all on how racist we are.
It will forever be known as the China virus, and this is why the term "racist" just doesn't register anymore. People use it where it isn't applicable and now most are just numb to it.
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