Cav exects major competition on the Oline

[inWV]

One doesn't have to read between the lines on this one. The RS frosh are pushing ahead of the sophomore group that couldn't get on the field to spell the walking wounded last season.
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/blogs/...cle_172c2b18-f974-11e6-9586-675b1a207032.html

 

[sparky62]

Competition is always a good thing.

 

[dinglefritz]

Competition is always a good thing.

Unless your selling BBQ sauce......

 

[sparky62]

Unless your selling BBQ sauce......

The cream will always rise to the top.

 

[inWV]

Chances are good that we will have a RS frosh at center two juniors at guard, then two juniors and a senior at tackle.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Chances are good that we will have a RS frosh at center two juniors at guard, then two juniors and a senior at tackle.

That seems like too many.

 

[huskerfan66]

That seems like too many.

Yes that might draw a flag

 

[dockentwo]

That seems like too many.

Quiet Cav, I think you are finally rotating, at least at the tackle position.

 

[dockentwo]

Chances are good that we will have a RS frosh at center two juniors at guard, then two juniors and a senior at tackle.

Hopefully they are really hearing the noise out here, pushing for rotation and a lot of reps for all in practice. Since even Cav brought it up at one point last year, that he was at least hearing some of the complaining. I think we have a great D staff lined up. I can believe Cav has so much to offer, I just hope his beliefs don't hinder results.

 

[Husker.Wed.]

Unless your selling BBQ sauce......

Post of the year so far.

 

[HuskerJuice]

LT- N. Gates
LG- J. Foster
C- J. Raridon/M. Decker
RG- T. Farmer
RT- B. Wilson

 

[TruHusker]

Hopefully they are really hearing the noise out here, pushing for rotation and a lot of reps for all in practice. Since even Cav brought it up at one point last year, that he was at least hearing some of the complaining. I think we have a great D staff lined up. I can believe Cav has so much to offer, I just hope his beliefs don't hinder results.

He is the coach with Lang's and Riley overseeing things as well. All the complaining should not make a bit of difference to him. "They" will put the best players on the field based on their evaluation, not ours. This isn't high school where the first team practices and everybody watches. They do all the drills together and scrimmage. They will each get their chance to show what they have. If Riley and langs don't think cav is getting it done he joins Banker.

 

[scarletred]

LT- N. Gates
LG- J. Foster
C- J. Raridon/M. Decker
RG- T. Farmer
RT- B. Wilson

Not questioning if you're right, but when did Boe Wilson move to the tackle position? I thought we was going to be competing for playing time with Tanner Farmer.

 

[inWV]

That seems like too many.

Either Conrad backed by Knevel or vice versa. Both have starters experience. I think it'll be Conrad. From what we've heard, Cav and the older players really like Raridon. I'd say it's now or never for the sophomore Olineman. There are talented guys younger and more guys coming into the program.

 

[HuskerJuice]

Not questioning if you're right, but when did Boe Wilson move to the tackle position? I thought we was going to be competing for playing time with Tanner Farmer.

I thought they just put him at guard last season for depth. Whether its tackle or guard though I hope he gets on the field

 

[TruHusker]

No was originally talked about as a center or guard.

 

[headcard]

LT- N. Gates
LG- J. Foster
C- J. Raridon/M. Decker
RG- T. Farmer
RT- B. Wilson

I think Farniok would be more likely to take over at RT. Wilson seems like more of an interior guy.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

The cream will always rise to the top.

Cream in bbq sauce? Sounds disgusting.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Hopefully they are really hearing the noise out here, pushing for rotation and a lot of reps for all in practice. Since even Cav brought it up at one point last year, that he was at least hearing some of the complaining. I think we have a great D staff lined up. I can believe Cav has so much to offer, I just hope his beliefs don't hinder results.

You mean like how he modeled his coaching beliefs after Milts?

 

[big red22]

LT- N. Gates
LG- J. Foster
C- J. Raridon/M. Decker
RG- T. Farmer
RT- B. Wilson

LOL... Boe Wilson at Tackle... NOPE

LT - Gates/Farniok
LG - Gates/Foster... Barnett gets snaps
C - Raridon/Decker
RG - Farmer/Wilson... Barnett gets snaps
RT - Farniok/Knevel... Conrad will get snaps

 

[Bugeater]

The cream will always rise to the top.

Yeah, I thought the same thing when I made my own wing sauce and did a blind test on some of my friends, my sauce vs yours. It didn't end well for me.

 

[sparky62]

Yeah, I thought the same thing when I made my own wing sauce and did a blind test on some of my friends, my sauce vs yours. It didn't end well for me.

Thanks buddy.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

Only the first string play, how is a third stringer supposed to be getting any snaps if the second stringers don't get any?

 

[dockentwo]

He is the coach with Lang's and Riley overseeing things as well. All the complaining should not make a bit of difference to him. "They" will put the best players on the field based on their evaluation, not ours. This isn't high school where the first team practices and everybody watches. They do all the drills together and scrimmage. They will each get their chance to show what they have. If Riley and langs don't think cav is getting it done he joins Banker.

I completely agree, and I thought that is how it was; but it was stated on here by many in season last year, that Cav wasn't doing that way. Thus the big stir then. Its surely right now.

 

[TruHusker]

I completely agree, and I thought that is how it was; but it was stated on here by many in season last year, that Cav wasn't doing that way. Thus the big stir then. Its surely right now.

So I am confused. Cav wasn't doing what that way? Thought how what was?

Cav, as an position coach has several eyes on him and his work. He has the O coordinator and the head coach who in this case is an O guy. When the team can't run the plays they want because of the O line, then someones butt is on the line. Cav isn't going to give in to fan pressure just to get reps to keep posters happy. They have to earn the time. If this were occurring anywhere else but Nebraska it would not even be an issue but it goes back to the legendary days of old and like many things Nebraska, people want to return to that glory.

I have not been to a practice but there isn't a school out there that doesn't give every player a chance to develop. They earn the playing time with their work in the weight room, agility, footwork, and playbook preparation, etc.. Just to say, well we need to get you snaps just because seems counterproductive. Are there times it is good, sure. Our O coordinator gets plenty of people questioning his play calling based on the production of a given play. Now throw in the variable that we are going to give some kids some snaps here, Oh and they better be just like the first team guys because when someone misses an assignment, either mental or physical, the message board will light up.

 

[dockentwo]

So I am confused. Cav wasn't doing what that way? Thought how what was?

Cav, as an position coach has several eyes on him and his work. He has the O coordinator and the head coach who in this case is an O guy. When the team can't run the plays they want because of the O line, then someones butt is on the line. Cav isn't going to give in to fan pressure just to get reps to keep posters happy. They have to earn the time. If this were occurring anywhere else but Nebraska it would not even be an issue but it goes back to the legendary days of old and like many things Nebraska, people want to return to that glory.

I have not been to a practice but there isn't a school out there that doesn't give every player a chance to develop. They earn the playing time with their work in the weight room, agility, footwork, and playbook preparation, etc.. Just to say, well we need to get you snaps just because seems counterproductive. Are there times it is good, sure. Our O coordinator gets plenty of people questioning his play calling based on the production of a given play. Now throw in the variable that we are going to give some kids some snaps here, Oh and they better be just like the first team guys because when someone misses an assignment, either mental or physical, the message board will light up.

You are a great poster; you must have missed the posts I read. The posters have much more red and expertise than I. I was a big defender of Cav since he came. Many didn't want some of the staff that came with HCMR; I pointed out in ten years Cav had 2.5 linemen a year get some type of conference recognition in the Pac ten - pretty outstanding from that recruiting base. I took heat for the comments.
Your comment that all schools give enough practice reps is pretty broad. I was saying posters reported that reps were getting to be a problem in practice. Cav publicly spoke to the issue, so there were comments. The program is now highly monitoring itself, many articles on this subject. Watch what happened to our o-line vs Tennessee; especially on passing plays. Either some players were ignoring coaching on how to handle physically superior players - or if they weren't panicking and didn't know, that is a coaching failure.

 

[TFrazier]

Only the first string play, how is a third stringer supposed to be getting any snaps if the second stringers don't get any?

I wonder if other schools use this against Nebraska in recruiting? They should every chance they get.

 

[dinglefritz]

I wonder if other schools use this against Nebraska in recruiting? They should every chance they get.

And our reply would be, " we started multiple different guys and were forced to start 3 walk ons at times on our offensive line. You will have an opportunity to come in and earn a spot early". The idea of "rotating" guys to get them experience is ludicrous when we were involved in so many tight games. You play to win the game. Guys have to earn IN PRACTICE their shot at playing in tight games. IF we get back to the days when we blew people out routinely, you'll see more 2nd teamers getting reps.

 

[inWV]

So I am confused. Cav wasn't doing what that way? Thought how what was?

I have not been to a practice but there isn't a school out there that doesn't give every player a chance to develop. They earn the playing time with their work in the weight room, agility, footwork, and playbook preparation, etc.. Just to say, well we need to get you snaps just because seems counterproductive. Are there times it is good, sure. Our O coordinator gets plenty of people questioning his play calling based on the production of a given play. Now throw in the variable that we are going to give some kids some snaps here, Oh and they better be just like the first team guys because when someone misses an assignment, either mental or physical, the message board will light up.

There's a difference between can and want to. Most of guys in the Oline group can, but less than that want to. Spencer Long was guy who through want to discovered he could, and went from walk on to star and then Pro. Gates is a can do/want to guy. In the "glory days", we had 10-12 can do/want to guys. The best 5 played the most and a couple of guys filled in on downs. The rest waited their turn. Playing before your junior year meant you were a really special lineman.
We aren't there by any means, but I like the fact that our coaches are trying to get us there.

 

[inWV]

And our reply would be, " we started multiple different guys and were forced to start 3 walk ons at times on our offensive line. You will have an opportunity to come in and earn a spot early". The idea of "rotating" guys to get them experience is ludicrous when we were involved in so many tight games. You play to win the game. Guys have to earn IN PRACTICE their shot at playing in tight games. IF we get back to the days when we blew people out routinely, you'll see more 2nd teamers getting reps.

In a sense, the starters earn playing time for the second teamers by their own good play. You do not willingly play an inferior player in a game as long as the game as in doubt. What is it about this concept that people don't get? The fact that we have a RS frosh that might start at center and discussion of other RS frosh taking the second spot speaks to the fact that the guys a year ahead of them are perhaps not even yet ready to play. Hahn and Conrad played over those guys. We were beat up overall this season on the Oline and yet the 2016 RS frosh couldn't make an appearance. Some players want to be "the guy". Others are content it seems to be on the team. Scholarship spots for position groups are allocated to account for this.
Would people rather recruits be told that NU play guys that don't earn their time in practice?

 

[headcard]

I wonder if other schools use this against Nebraska in recruiting? They should every chance they get.

The best players play and we think you can be one.

I don't think rotating on the OL is near as common as you do, I think it is mostly uptempo teams that really emphasize rotating. Plus, who the heck were we going to rotate in, it's not like we were super deep. I think Cav has said he would rotate is the players were very close, but that wasn't the case with us last year.

 

[TruHusker]

You are a great poster; you must have missed the posts I read. The posters have much more red and expertise than I. I was a big defender of Cav since he came. Many didn't want some of the staff that came with HCMR; I pointed out in ten years Cav had 2.5 linemen a year get some type of conference recognition in the Pac ten - pretty outstanding from that recruiting base. I took heat for the comments.
Your comment that all schools give enough practice reps is pretty broad. I was saying posters reported that reps were getting to be a problem in practice. Cav publicly spoke to the issue, so there were comments. The program is now highly monitoring itself, many articles on this subject. Watch what happened to our o-line vs Tennessee; especially on passing plays. Either some players were ignoring coaching on how to handle physically superior players - or if they weren't panicking and didn't know, that is a coaching failure.

All players go through the technique drills. Nebraska is fortunate they have enough players to have at least 2 full teams going through scrimmages to give reps. The other thing is most schools do not have as many total players as Nebraska does with their walk-on program.

I am not pro or anti Cav. I just don't think the power lies within the message board posters. Some on here say and all of that stuff. There are standards and the heads to be know what they are. This will be an interesting year with lots of young guys getting a shot. What does that tell you?

We were totally out played against Tennessee. Gates was a disaster as was everyone we had in that match-up. During the year I saw as many mental break downs of players letting a guy go right by them, not switching off, missing a blitz pick up and so on as opposed to just getting beat physically although there was plenty of that as well.

If Cav is reacting to posters and complainers then he isn't doing his job, he is reacting and not coaching. Who is the expert there and who are his bosses?

 

[spinner4]

So I am confused. Cav wasn't doing what that way? Thought how what was?

Cav, as an position coach has several eyes on him and his work. He has the O coordinator and the head coach who in this case is an O guy. When the team can't run the plays they want because of the O line, then someones butt is on the line. Cav isn't going to give in to fan pressure just to get reps to keep posters happy. They have to earn the time. If this were occurring anywhere else but Nebraska it would not even be an issue but it goes back to the legendary days of old and like many things Nebraska, people want to return to that glory.

I have not been to a practice but there isn't a school out there that doesn't give every player a chance to develop. They earn the playing time with their work in the weight room, agility, footwork, and playbook preparation, etc.. Just to say, well we need to get you snaps just because seems counterproductive. Are there times it is good, sure. Our O coordinator gets plenty of people questioning his play calling based on the production of a given play. Now throw in the variable that we are going to give some kids some snaps here, Oh and they better be just like the first team guys because when someone misses an assignment, either mental or physical, the message board will light up.

Hey , I agree that if a player has not earned playing time, he shouldn't receive playing time. The cause of concern is with that logic, many of the players that do play have not earned it. So if most of the players are bad, gotta question if its the players or if the coach is not doing a good enough job.

Keep in mind, Banker & Read did not give into fan pressure either. Banker and Read received a lot of criticism from fans & media. Banker & Read were old buddies of Mike too. Seems like a trend. Hmm, if I had to guess, the players are not the only ones battling for jobs on the O-line this year.

Some may want to go ahead and insert now, Cav is a good guy. Tenipor liked Cav. He had 4 guys drafted in 10 years @ Oregon State (like that a big deal or something.) FYI - Cotton had 6 guys drafted that played under him as coach in less time & most of us can agree on the assessment of Cotton.

All I know is I completely trust that MR has no room for poor coaching anymore. Cav has had a ton of excuses. No more this year. He will either sink or swim in 2017. We are all hoping he swims but if his unit is sh*t again, I have to sadness for the man if he's fired.

 

[Bugeater]

Thanks buddy.

I was brutally kicked to the curb, but I'll be back. Well I will, just with yours, not mine!

 

[inWV]

All I know is I completely trust that MR has no room for poor coaching anymore. Cav has had a ton of excuses. No more this year. He will either sink or swim in 2017. We are all hoping he swims but if his unit is sh*t again, I have to sadness for the man if he's fired.

Cav very well come up wanting, but we really didn't get a chance to see if his unit was verkakte. Certainly several verkakte ankles were involved. The ankles weren't his fault. Conceivably one could pin the lack of development of the RS frosh on him, but he probably gets a pass given last year was his second. This year he has a line with starting experience as well as a room full of younger guys. One would hope that 2-3 guys can emerge as capable backups.

 

[nordakotahusker]

Keep in mind, Banker & Read did not give into fan pressure either. Banker and Read received a lot of criticism from fans & media. Banker & Read were old buddies of Mike too. Seems like a trend. Hmm, if I had to guess, the players are not the only ones battling for jobs on the O-line this year.

If you really think that D1 coaches should give in to pressure from a bunch of misinformed fans on a message board, or that the reason that Banker and Read are gone is because of it, you are a moron.

 

[inWV]

If you really think that D1 coaches should give in to pressure from a bunch of misinformed fans on a message board, or that the reason that Banker and Read are gone is because of it, you are a moron.

And they would be morons if they based personnel decision on message board traffic.

 

[nordakotahusker]

And they would be morons if they based personnel decision on message board traffic.

no doubt

 

[HuskerLLM]

I thought they just put him at guard last season for depth. Whether its tackle or guard though I hope he gets on the field

He is a guard and probable third string/emergency center

 

[TwinsRRUs]

Not questioning if you're right, but when did Boe Wilson move to the tackle position? I thought we was going to be competing for playing time with Tanner Farmer.

I thought they just put him at guard last season for depth. Whether its tackle or guard though I hope he gets on the field

He is a guard and probable third string/emergency center

Agreed.

Not sure what the coaches planned, but at 6'2" 277lbs (or 6'3 295#) and Rivals had him as a 3* OG, I would guess guard.

Generally tackles are taller and last year in fall camp when Foster and Whitaker were injured, articles came out about him being in the running for starting left guard.

As of today, I would bet he ends up 2nd string this year and plays a lot because he will be close to the same level as the starting guards.