Cali is seeing unexpected rise in cases for vaccinated citizens...

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Not necessarily. There is a good chance those who got covid have long lasting immunity. Here is an article describing why.
The delta variant has changed the game on the spreading of the virus. The vaccines aren’t that good at stopping the spread of it. I assume moderna isn’t that much different than Pfizer. The Israel study showed the Pfizer vaccine wasn't very good at stopping the spread of the delta mutation compared to the virus early on.

Considering that this isn’t the case for pretty much any other respiratory virus, I would bet that this will face the same problem as the vaccines. Which is that immunity to severe disease will hold for a long time, but immunity to reinfection will wane after a year or so. I don’t need an article to describe to me how respiratory immunity works.

I have said from the very beginning that immunity to complete transmission would not be long lasting. Honestly the immunity to transmission was much much better than I thought it would be at the beginning. However, immunity to severe disease, which is what really matters in the end, still remains very strong. Which again, is to be expected.

Hmmmm seems the CDC may disagree

Interesting indeed, although this is limited data so far. A couple things still need to be done. 1. Is this happening in asymptomatic vaccinated? 2. Is the virus actually alive? You can clear virus but still have remnants around that show up on PCR.

I am curious to see what comes out of other places. UK and Israel still disagree on vaccine effectiveness, with one saying about 80 percent and the other at 40. This is the crappy part about the beginning stages of something like this. You can have a study say that there is the same viral load one week, and then the next week 5 say that it isn’t the same, or confirm. But unfortunately this is the side of science that will be used against it.


They are comparing a number that you know for certain, vs. a number that you don’t have a clear denominator for. You know who has been vaccinated. However, you have very unclear number of people who have been previously infected. Trying to compare them is really not fair. But I am pretty sure that Alex knows that as he has been doing this type of shvt the entire pandemic.
 

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fuzz ball! I'm not sure men of our ilk are mentally equipped to be ruminating on this sort of subject matter. let's head back to the scrolls where we belong bud.
Can't, that place has been infiltrated by ShortHorns, and other "Big Men on Campus".
 

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Nice to know Trumpers haven’t improved their conceptual knowledge of statistics since the mask debates.
I've been searching to no avail. Can you post peer-reviewed research showing where masks have proven to prevent the spread of the virus. Not be a smart azz, seriously curious.
 

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I've been searching to no avail. Can you post peer-reviewed research showing where masks have proven to prevent the spread of the virus. Not be a smart azz, seriously curious.

Well sure, I’ll use my google machine for you;


 

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I don't care that Trump made it happen.

And the new science is worrisome. The vaccinated may just be the super spreaders. You son of a bitch.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-wear-masks-again-what-that-means/5385279001/
How do you figure vaccinated people spread it more than unvaccinated people? Are you saying that when I got a shot in my arm to vaccinate me against Covid, it gave me magical superpowers to more efficiently spread Covid? I can shoot Covid out of my nostrils at the speed of light maybe? Like when a superhero gets bitten by a spider or something and gets magical superpowers to shoot webs out of his wrist?

Also, why do the states with the highest rates of unvaccinated people currently also have the highest rates of covid per capita?


You are probably trolling but in case you are not the only alternative is that you are really stupid, no offense.

On the one hand, you have people getting vaccinated to try to stop the pandemic and get life back to normal. If everyone was vaccinated in this country, this pandemic would be over.

Then on the other hand, you have people like you willing to do absolutely nothing. Then, out of ignorance and stupidity, you blame the vaccinated.

The idiots filling up our nation's hospitals are dumbass ignorant unvaccinated Trumpers. I wish the hospitals would turn them away. There is a vaccine that would have protected them. These dumbass mother fvckers beg the docs to vaccinate them when they are placed on a ventilator, but the docs can only say "Hey you dipshit, it's too late."

Have a great day and please don't go to the hospital when you catch your next case of covid. Suck it up and remind yourself that you had the chance to do the right thing and you passed it up.
 
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the CDC and the WHO have been wrong from the start......so let's just keep listening to them.......right?
And also took some recommendations from the Teachers Union on kids wearing masks in school. I bet that was a scientific study
 

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Yea well nobody wants tO wEAr a FaCe dIaPEr


Science changes with new info. Time for vaccinated people to mask up so only the morons kill the morons
Lets see...wear a mask, don't wear a mask, wear 2 masks, don't wear a mask wear a mask....Did I get it correct?

Fuvk them they have no clue what they are doing.
 

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Im sorry that the scientific method is confusing for you.
There is zero scientific information going on there. Its a total shit show. They are completely responsible for why people are skeptical of the vaccine and then they wonder why people don't want to get it. Idiots.

CA is run by similar socialistic idiots.
 
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There is zero scientific information going on there. Its a total shit show. They are completely responsible for why people are skeptical of the vaccine and then they wonder why people don't want to get it. Idiots.

CA is run by similar socialistic idiots.

You are so oppressed being asked to wear a mask to be safe rather than sorry.

I’m surprised they haven’t put us in interment camps already
 

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You are so oppressed being asked to wear a mask to be safe rather than sorry.

I’m surprised they haven’t put us in interment camps already
Say what you want its bullshit. They have zero proof it even helps. Yea if you sneeze and cough it keeps it contained. Other than that BS. Yes I hate wearing a mask, its annoying, unhealthy and I have the right not to.
 

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Say what you want its bullshit. They have zero proof it even helps.
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Think I will trust these guys. What are your medical qualifications @IM4NUalways? Because Tucker told you?

Hell even people back in 1918 understood masks and science better than you.

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Say what you want its bullshit. They have zero proof it even helps. Yea if you sneeze and cough it keeps it contained. Other than that BS. Yes I hate wearing a mask, its annoying, unhealthy and I have the right not to.
Timmy tough nuts over here.

So persecuted
 

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That vaccinated people carrying more delta vs prior variants says anything at all about unvaccinated people. He either didn't read it, didn’t understand it or is intentionally misleading his followers.
Or all of the above.
 

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Never saw your medical credentials that make be think you know more than doctors.

Why trust Tucker over doctors? You really think that is a smart choice?

Hell even Sarah Sanders now says the Trump virus is safe. Now you don't believe her?
I never said anything about the safety of the vaccine. Just if people don't want to take it they should not be forced.

Also a huge % of the reason people are skeptical is because of the idiots now in office told everyone for 6 months not to trust it. Not to take it possibly and be skeptical. Now you are blaming people being skeptical on Trump. Pretty funny stuff. Hell he was the reason it got to market when it did to make Biden look like he had a clue.

On top of that if the current dipshits really were concerned about the people of the US they would stop the mass import of illegal, criminals and untested covid (AND OTHER THINGS) carrying people streaming across the border in all time record numbers. Don't tell me you are trying to help, you need me to do something to help and at the same time be doing things that are making the problem worse massively and creating other problems the country doesn't need that are harmful to the current citizens.

Total political Bull shit.
 

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Gee imagine that just like Joe said the Vaccinated are killing us!! Oh wait a minute What?? Getting a virus jabbed into your arm to stop you from getting a Virus, what could Go Wrong. Meanwhile in the Real World Our Hospitalizations and Death rate is lower then ever. Despite the Case Rate being Extremely high because of the pC tests are 95 percent inaccurate.. seems like a lot of Smoke and Concelment!
 
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Never saw your medical credentials that make be think you know more than doctors.

Why trust Tucker over doctors? You really think that is a smart choice?

Hell even Sarah Sanders now says the Trump virus is safe. Now you don't believe her?
problem is: Doctors said the tests were wrong from the beginning giving false positives yet you didn't believe them..........roflmao

waffle much?
 

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Say what you want its bullshit. They have zero proof it even helps. Yea if you sneeze and cough it keeps it contained. Other than that BS. Yes I hate wearing a mask, its annoying, unhealthy and I have the right not to.
You are repeating the dumbest of talking points from over a year ago.

A mask is not a silver bullet, it is a mitigation technique and an effective one at that. There are no 100% fool-proof way of protecting yourself but doing protective mitigations in tandem, including wearing a mask, reduces risk substantially.

It is a really simple risk management equation that some folks cannot grasp over a year into this.
 

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You are repeating the dumbest of talking points from over a year ago.

A mask is not a silver bullet, it is a mitigation technique and an effective one at that. There are no 100% fool-proof way of protecting yourself but doing protective mitigations in tandem, including wearing a mask, reduces risk substantially.

It is a really simple risk management equation that some folks cannot grasp over a year into this.
I'm not sure how ****ing stupid people are but............

imagine a hole that is 1" and the virus is 25 times smaller, which it is........

which means the virus would be .04"

this is simple math used so a simpleton can understand it...........

I thought you believed in science????????
 

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You are repeating the dumbest of talking points from over a year ago.

A mask is not a silver bullet, it is a mitigation technique and an effective one at that. There are no 100% fool-proof way of protecting yourself but doing protective mitigations in tandem, including wearing a mask, reduces risk substantially.

It is a really simple risk management equation that some folks cannot grasp over a year into this.
Because it is crap. People wear all kinds of masks made of all kinds of things. Problem. They touch their face and mask continually because they are uncomfortable and then touch everything else. Problem. They pull them down to talk constantly because no one can hear. Problem. I could go on. Could they help in a very small way? probably. Enough to mandate the masks especially for vaccinated people? hell no.