Big Ten Meeting this morning - cancelling season?

husker2612

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I have a feeling that is eventually the way this is going to end. I do hope the BIG10 leaves options open for individual schools to be able to create and make their own schedule if they choose and are able to.
 

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I have a feeling that is eventually the way this is going to end. I do hope the BIG10 leaves options open for individual schools to be able to create and make their own schedule if they choose and are able to.
It should be the same as the approach we are taking with players. Let teams opt in or out, but do it now and be held to that choice.
 
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Harry Caray

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There's no chance of completing a fall season. Millions of college kids are about to move back to college campuses and live in crowded dorms. College kids are not going to stay alone by themselves, they are going to socialize and party. The virus will spread like crazy.

The best hope is for a spring season, and hope that there is an effective treatment by then.
 

orclover

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Damm the CCP for deliberately declaring this is nothing to worry about to the rest of the world, while at the same time, looking and welding people in their homes.
It is important to place blame in the appropriate place. The Czech republic mandated masks on March 23rd. They had 300 deaths, and are fully open in August. Southeast Asia has had compliant mask wearing since the beginning of the outbreak and are fully open in August. The pure science says that mask wearing will not completely control cases but will turn symptomatic cases into nearly 100% asymptomatic cases. Study after study has shown that mask wearing takes asymptomatic occurance from 35-40% all the way above 85%. America has 500 deaths per 1 million people whereas mask compliant nations has deaths rates that are 50x lower.

MASKS PROTECT THE INFECTED PERSON FROM BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR KILLING A HEALTHY PERSON MASK OR NO MASK! Most cloth masks have gaps or are poorly fitted. A maskless person will release <5 micrometer aerosol particles many feet away from them that can enter deep into the lungs of an unsuspecting healthy person, even if the person next to them has a mask. This is purely a social experiment to see if an American will wear a mask to protect a neighbor or fellow American. If you want to protect yourself you need a very well fitted triple layer mask that stays dry.

The U.S has an uncontrolled outbreak where the hotspots are arbitrary and unpredictable. Our population has unequivocally acted like children the last 5 months and we are having our toys taken away. Omaha closing schools is a direct reflection of the resistance to a mask mandate and careless behavior of the society. Lincoln as a counter, will have schools open, with compliant mask wearing, because the population has, for the moment, kept the virus as levels 2x lower than their neighbor.

If you are a nationalist, you should be terrified because the vast majority of the world is moving on, their economies are learning to function without America, their militaries are adapting to a world where the U.S is castrated by a virus outbreak. The consensus won't be that China handled this well, many nations are pissed at the CCP, but it will be that America is a joke, that their population is ignorant, petulant, self-serving, and regardless of federal leadership the population as a whole cannot function in a coherent unified manner...relative to other nations. Our adversaries are certainly taking note.
 
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I believe the request made by Pac 12 players and other conferences’ players also played a role… many of the requests regarding assurances of players’ health no longer matter. If players get Covid, it’s their own fault, not because of football.
 
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There's no chance of completing a fall season. Millions of college kids are about to move back to college campuses and live in crowded dorms. College kids are not going to stay alone by themselves, they are going to socialize and party. The virus will spread like crazy.

The best hope is for a spring season, and hope that there is an effective treatment by then.
are you saying you dont expect the fb players to be diligent enough with masks and social distancing to avoid the same outcome of the general student population? i personally think there will be some positives on the teams but i think they can keep it somewhat controlled if the players are on board with basically giving up their social lives for a semester
 

orclover

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Good move. Its widely known that pads increase the risk of catching covid while helmets have no effect on the spread.
#1: We have to remember that the Italian outbreak in Lombardy was fed by a single open air soccer game with 40k people, no masks. And this particular occurrence was highly pathogenic(deadly).

#2: Open air, maskless spread, can be more pathogenic than we perceive.

#3. Half of a football team falls into a risk group due to weight and cardiovascular stresses. This is unique to football as a sport because many players are designed by S&C programs to be larger than their natural form.

#4: It would be possible if every player wore a visor on the field and masks on the sideline and there were no fans in the stadium. But..players would need to be in a bubble like the NBA.

#5. This is still a community issue because players will come in contact with people outside the program, testing isn't accurate or is too slow. Logically players will get it from sex or the dorms but you can't just pre-kill people because they might make a bad decision and get themselves killed anyway.

I have a very high risk job, and I have to do it so I want football but...this is a community(U.S) failure to control the virus the previous 3 months when we had a chance. Tell everyone you know to wear a mask, get your area down to nothing, tell everybody online to do the same, and maybe we'll get some football at some time this year.
 
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Crazyhole

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#1: We have to remember that the Italian outbreak in Lombardy was fed by a single open air soccer game with 40k people, no masks. And this particular occurrence was highly pathogenic(deadly).

#2: Open air, maskless spread, can be more pathogenic than we perceive.

#3. Half of a football team falls into a risk group due to weight and cardiovascular stresses. This is unique to football as a sport because many players are designed by S&C programs to be larger than their natural form.

#4: It would be possible if every player wore a visor on the field and masks on the sideline and there were no fans in the stadium. But..players would need to be in a bubble like the NBA.

#5. This is still a community issue because players will come in contact with people outside the program, testing isn't accurate or is too slow. Logically players will get it from sex or the dorms but you can't just pre-kill people because they might make a bad decision and get themselves killed anyway.

I have a very high risk job, and I have to do it so I want football but...this is a community(U.S) failure to control the virus the previous 3 months when we had a chance. Tell everyone you know to wear a mask, get your area down to nothing, tell everybody online to do the same, and maybe we'll get some football at some time this year.
"Get it down to nothing". Possibly the greatest misnomer in history. We have 2 options:

1. Get it over with quickly
2. Get it over with over an extended period of time.

Why are people resisting this? All we can do is affect the timeline.
 
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Your chances of dying in D-Day were 0.0133333333% if you were an American soldier. Why a big deal? Those guys get too much credit.
This type of comment is trash. The type of heroism required to run into the spray of bullets on D-Day should carry enough reverence to keep their unfathomable sacrifice out of any bullshit talking point on a football forum.
 

orclover

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This type of comment is trash. The type of heroism required to run into the spray of bullets on D-Day should carry enough reverence to keep their unfathomable sacrifice out of any bullshit talking point on a football forum.
About as trashy as minimizing the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost loved ones or their lives due to American incompetency. Ignoring the 160k+ deaths, the peripheral suffering from lack of funerals and hospice, and the long term health effects for survivors is magnitudes worse. Also keep in mind that the soldiers on the beach who sacrificed their sanity to fight that day were also minimized by American society who didn't want to hear about their "mental problems".

It also shows how numbers can be manipulated but it is emotion that matters. Our society lacks a certain level of moral empathy, concentrated selfishness that allows us to demean any occurrence that is outside of a cultural experience. Why can't you understand how dying on a beach alone, yelling mommy, is no different than a person dying in an IC unit with a tube down their throat without getting to see their family, and their family getting to mourn properly? This is a human tragedy, a tragedy, that is being minimized by monsters on this board merely because of unsustainable tribalism.
 
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About as trashy as minimizing the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost loved ones or their lives due to American incompetency. Ignoring the 160k+ deaths, the peripheral suffering from lack of funerals and hospice, and the long term health effects for survivors is magnitudes worse. Also keep in mind that the soldiers on the beach who sacrificed their sanity to fight that day were also minimized by American society who didn't want to hear about their "mental problems".
mistakes from China to the UN to American elected officials all the way down to the common citizen who wouldn't limit travel or large gatherings/protests.

left of the aisle failed the worst, FWIW
 
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About as trashy as minimizing the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost loved ones or their lives due to American incompetency. Ignoring the 160k+ deaths, the peripheral suffering from lack of funerals and hospice, and the long term health effects for survivors is magnitudes worse. Also keep in mind that the soldiers on the beach who sacrificed their sanity to fight that day were also minimized by American society who didn't want to hear about their "mental problems".
Take your thoughts elsewhere. You're not some educated martyr spreading unknown information despite your belief that that's the role you're playing.
 

orclover

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"Get it down to nothing". Possibly the greatest misnomer in history. We have 2 options:

1. Get it over with quickly
2. Get it over with over an extended period of time.

Why are people resisting this? All we can do is affect the timeline.
You can get it and be asymptomatic, and entire population can get it and have relatively weak symptoms if the community viral load is low, and people get a small viral load themselves. America has missed out on that opportunity because community load is very high in some areas and people do not universally wear masks. When you get covid-19 you do not get the same dose as your neighbor. If you get what is termed as a "lethal" dose your chances of going through the chain of symptoms are much higher. If you are wearing a mask you can be inoculated and become an asymptomatic carrier, which is dangerous, but not so much if you always wear a mask in risky situations.
 

orclover

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mistakes from China to the UN to American elected officials all the way down to the common citizen who wouldn't limit travel or large gatherings/protests.
America has death rates 50x higher than the conglomerate of nations that mandated masks and social policies earlier. And most importantly those nations have opened their economies successfully, including sports. Those nations were also subject to incompetency from China and the WHO, which is real. They adapted, multiple nations, and hundreds of millions of people, and we did not. At least in the case of Covid, the U.S is in league with Brazil, Mexico, Russia, Iran. If you couldn't tell I'm not particularly patriotic but I hope to never be in an alliance with those nations anytime soon. We could let bygones be bygones but...

....And we still don't have mask mandates, even in places with high spread, overflowing ICUs, and high death rates.

The scariest thing, the HIV outbreak taught us that Americans aren't particularly successful with mandates , such as you need to wear a condom to not get a virus that kills 100% of the time. We require really strong public health communication, and really strong leadership from the top to "encourage" us to care about our neighbors and ourselves. This is a uniquely American problem, which leads to our excessive murder, suicide, overdose, obesity, and accident death rates.
 
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Husker Sledge

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About as trashy as minimizing the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have lost loved ones or their lives due to American incompetency. Ignoring the 160k+ deaths, the peripheral suffering from lack of funerals and hospice, and the long term health effects for survivors is magnitudes worse. Also keep in mind that the soldiers on the beach who sacrificed their sanity to fight that day were also minimized by American society who didn't want to hear about their "mental problems".
Sounds like you need some fresh air, sunshine and to clear your head man. Maybe you've been wearing a mask too long?