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B1G in discussions for the future

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* Expanding to 20 teams
* Eliminate Divisions
* Possible 10 game conference schedule
* Big 10 will no longer schedule conference games more than one year in advance.
 
Go to 20, four pods of 5, play yours and on other pod each, two year period- home and home.

Stay at 9 games.

this conference seems to want to reinvent and out think itself way too damn much.
Yea, I don’t think their going to pods…

Scheduling conference games more than just one year in advance seems odd too.. Some people like to plan ahead traveling to away games..
 
* Expanding to 20 teams
* Eliminate Divisions
* Possible 10 game conference schedule
* Big 10 will no longer schedule conference games more than one year in advance.
Not sure exactly what the last point about advance scheduling means. I would think they'd at least schedule teams for 2 years with a home and away game for the same pair of teams. The expansion to 20 teams seems the most likely scenario mentioned by pundits with the additions of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and TBD (being either Notre Dame or some other team if Notre Dame declines).

I think the B1G wanted to lock in its media options before proceeding with further expansion. Apparently that contingency has been covered so they could know with certainty the revenue impact and offer further expansion teams a more concrete revenue share estimate.
 
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Not sure exactly what the last point about advance scheduling means. I would think they'd at least schedule teams for 2 years with a home and away game for the same pair of teams. The expansion to 20 teams seems the most likely scenario mentioned by pundits with the additions of Oregon, Washington, Stanford and TBD (being either Notre Dame or some other team if Notre Dame declines).

I think the B1G wanted to lock in its media options before proceeding with further expansion. Apparently that contingency has been covered so they could know with certainty the revenue impact and offer further expansion teams a more concrete revenue share estimate.
Seems limiting to agree to expansion revenue terms without any advanced notice of which teams from which markets, wouldn’t you say?

also - ND will be making $70M/year in tv money by themselves in 2025, not to mention recent data show that streaming services have overtaken cable/broadcast in terms of content viewed

ND set a record for streaming viewership last year in college football

it’s been 1 day and this media deal already seems outdated
 
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Seems limiting to agree to expansion revenue terms without any advanced notice of which teams from which markets, wouldn’t you say?

also - ND will be making $70M/year in tv money by themselves in 2025, not to mention recent data show that streaming services have overtaken cable/broadcast in terms of content viewed

ND set a record for streaming viewership last year in college football

it’s been 1 day and this media deal already seems outdated
We'd have to see the exact wording of the media contract to know the answer. Who's to say they didn't get a specific assessment for specific teams? My guess is that the future expansion teams were already defined. Oregon and Washington, for example, were widely speculated as expansion possibilities before and the B1G reportedly told them to wait for a final decision until after the B1G media deal was done.

$70 million for ND would likely fall below what the B1G teams will each be getting in the same time frame. So any difference will be the price for maintaining ND independence which the school may decide is more important than money. BUT the Notre Dame decision one way or the other will likely be driven more by the media giants in the future. Not sure if it will always be NBC but NBC now will be broadcasting B1G games. The kicker for ND is that they could be frozen out of playing any games with B1G teams if the B1G wants to play hardball and/or the B1G goes to 10 conference match ups.
 
We'd have to see the exact wording of the media contract to know the answer. Who's to say they didn't get a specific assessment for specific teams? My guess is that the future expansion teams were already defined. Oregon and Washington, for example, were widely speculated as expansion possibilities before and the B1G reportedly told them to wait for a final decision until after the B1G media deal was done.

$70 million for ND would likely fall below what the B1G teams will each be getting in the same time frame. So any difference will be the price for maintaining ND independence which the school may decide is more important than money. BUT the Notre Dame decision one way or the other will likely be driven more by the media giants in the future. Not sure if it will always be NBC but NBC now will be broadcasting B1G games. The kicker for ND is that they could be frozen out of playing any games with B1G teams if the B1G wants to play hardball and/or the B1G goes to 10 conference match ups.
ND plays what 1 B1G team per season these days? If that?

I’m not sure that’s even half the threat you think it is

with the way the money has gone, if the B1G already gave away its best card (expansion), it’s very safe to say they did it at a discount (negotiating tomorrow’s deal with today’s money) because they certainly didn’t borrow my crystal ball to see into the future

ND’s $70M will account for NBC’s portion. They’ll make more with streaming, so it’ll be a wash with B1G teams without having to sacrifice anything.

at that point, if the B1G wants to take its ball and go home, well, I’d say that’d be very B1G of them
 
ND plays what 1 B1G team per season these days? If that?

I’m not sure that’s even half the threat you think it is

with the way the money has gone, if the B1G already gave away its best card (expansion), it’s very safe to say they did it at a discount (negotiating tomorrow’s deal with today’s money) because they certainly didn’t borrow my crystal ball to see into the future

ND’s $70M will account for NBC’s portion. They’ll make more with streaming, so it’ll be a wash with B1G teams without having to sacrifice anything.

at that point, if the B1G wants to take its ball and go home, well, I’d say that’d be very B1G of them
Well don't forget the equation changes IF USC and Stanford become part of the B1G. And ND used to play Michigan State and Michigan in the past.

But maybe you're right and ND doesn't care about any of those old traditional rivalries any more. Guess we'll see what happens. I don't pretend to know what people at ND are thinking and it becomes less relevant as the B1G expands. I just know if the B1G goes to 20 teams and maybe 10 conference games, it shrinks the pool of teams for all schools outside the conference to play in the future. Most B1G conference schools will then want to play a couple of out of conference teams on an at home basis only.
 
Notre Dame are the New York Yankees of the college football world. You are going to hurt yourselves far more than them by trying to play hardball.

Fox/ESPN/CBS etc rake it in if they can air a Notre Dame away game against one of their conf affiliated teams
 
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Why in the world doesn’t Trev Alberts and Nebraska push to get Arizona or ASU into this deal? There is a huge Nebraska fan base here. we’ve always recruited well here and travel to Arizona is super affordable. It’s totally incompetent for Nebraska not to explore those chances.
 
Why in the world doesn’t Trev Alberts and Nebraska push to get Arizona or ASU into this deal? There is a huge Nebraska fan base here. we’ve always recruited well here and travel to Arizona is super affordable. It’s totally incompetent for Nebraska not to explore those chances.
Because Trev doesn’t have a lot of weight making the major decisions for the conference..
 
You have absolutely no weight in conference decisions when you don’t even try. USC/UCLA would be completely on board and you could get a Fiesta Bowl tie in!
 
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Why in the world doesn’t Trev Alberts and Nebraska push to get Arizona or ASU into this deal? There is a huge Nebraska fan base here. we’ve always recruited well here and travel to Arizona is super affordable. It’s totally incompetent for Nebraska not to explore those chances.
Well we don't know yet what is going to happen for sure. Although the pundits aren't mentioning the Arizona schools, you never know.
 
Notre Dame are the New York Yankees of the college football world. You are going to hurt yourselves far more than them by trying to play hardball.

Fox/ESPN/CBS etc rake it in if they can air a Notre Dame away game against one of their conf affiliated teams
So you think Notre Dame is more powerful than the entire B1G?
 
Notre Dame could be the life preserver for the ACC..
For sure no doubt but the question is do they want to be in the role? ACC with or without ND will always be behind in revenue share per team vs. the B1G and SEC. ND will never agree to share it's revenue equally with other ACC teams to take a "pay cut" and even if they did, the ACC still would be behind the B1G and SEC.
 
So you think Notre Dame is more powerful than the entire B1G?
I said it before the deal was announced and believe it even more now:

the B1G deal will be the last traditional broadcast deal we ever see in CFB

traditional thinking at its finest. Typical B1G
 
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I said it before the deal was announced and believe it even more now:

the B1G deal will be the last traditional broadcast deal we ever see in CFB

traditional thinking at its finest. Typical B1G
But what's that got to do with ND being more powerful than the entire B1G?

(And the new B1G deal involves Peacock and Paramount+ streaming as part of the package.)
 
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But what's that got to do with ND being more powerful than the entire B1G?

(And the new B1G deal involves Peacock and Paramount+ streaming as part of the package.)
ND being able to command about an equal media deal all by themselves makes this a pretty obvious answer

ohiost might be able to do the same as ND as an independent. maybe. zero chance any other b1g team could sniff $90M+ by themselves in media rights.

what do I know, you’re the media rights expert. I’m just the guy who’s right about everything.
 
ND being able to command about an equal media deal all by themselves makes this a pretty obvious answer

ohiost might be able to do the same as ND as an independent. maybe. zero chance any other b1g team could sniff $90M+ by themselves in media rights.

what do I know, you’re the media rights expert. I’m just the guy who’s right about everything.
Well ND is widely expected to command a $70 million per year deal while the B1G will be getting $100 million. That's 42% higher but I guess if you don't care about $30 million it's about the same.
 
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Well ND is widely expected to command a $70 million per year deal while the B1G will be getting $100 million. That's 42% higher but I guess if you don't care about $30 million it's about the same.
$70M is reported to be NBC’s portion only

total will be $90M+. Obviously.

I still have yet to hear anything close to logic in pre-negotiating expansion numbers when expansion is the literal only trigger the B1G has to pull to increase revenue

that seems like the dumbest thing the league could’ve done, but part of me thinks it’s the only way the league got them to come to the table in the first place

I also see you’re using the speculated top-end payout number - how very B1G of you to start your spin this early!
 
$70M is reported to be NBC’s portion only

total will be $90M+. Obviously.

I still have yet to hear anything close to logic in pre-negotiating expansion numbers when expansion is the literal only trigger the B1G has to pull to increase revenue

that seems like the dumbest thing the league could’ve done, but part of me thinks it’s the only way the league got them to come to the table in the first place

I also see you’re using the speculated top-end payout number - how very B1G of you to start your spin this early!
Well I don't care that much about ND one way or the other myself but obviously you must be a huge ND fan to be making such a case for them. :Cool:
 
Well I don't care that much about ND one way or the other myself but obviously you must be a huge ND fan to be making such a case for them. :Cool:
Keep booking those rooms at the holiday inn express!
 
in 2018, ND went undefeated and lost to the eventual national champ in the playoffs. much better than KU playing in a meaningless bowl for nothing.

that is also a season your team won't match if you play for another 500 years, you dunce
Notre Dame fans can sit around sipping drinks and reminiscing about the time they tied Kansas' record.
 
Notre Dame fans can sit around sipping drinks and reminiscing about the time they tied Kansas' record.
Fans of programs that will be in of one of these super-conferences for no other reason than being legacy members rather than on merit should probably sit out these conf expansion discussions and spend their time thanking their lucky stars knowing that otherwise they would be on the outside looking in
 
I don't understand getting rid of divisions if you were to go to 20 teams. Especially if they were to schedule based on expectations, a team could get an easy schedule and go 9-1 in conference, but beat up on 9 teams that were near the bottom, while the actual top teams beat up on each other and go 8-2.
 
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I don't understand getting rid of divisions if you were to go to 20 teams. Especially if they were to schedule based on expectations, a team could get an easy schedule and go 9-1 in conference, but beat up on 9 teams that were near the bottom, while the actual top teams beat up on each other and go 8-2.
Maybe the thought behind that is if there is divisions the same teams will be playing each other year after year except for one game against someone in the opposite division..

But I would also think that in Nebraska circumstance they would play Ioway, Wisconsin and Minnesota every year and the other 6 or 7 games would switch off with the other members in the conference..
 
Maybe the thought behind that is if there is divisions the same teams will be playing each other year after year except for one game against someone in the opposite division..

But I would also think that in Nebraska circumstance they would play Ioway, Wisconsin and Minnesota every year and the other 6 or 7 games would switch off with the other members in the conference..
Yes, the thinking is to ensure there's an opportunity to play everyone over the years in a big conference with a pod setup. If you have a big conference with only two large divisions then you might never (or very rarely) get to play a team in the opposite division because you're too occupied with just all the games in your own division.
 
Yes, the thinking is to ensure there's an opportunity to play everyone over the years in a big conference with a pod setup. If you have a big conference with only two large divisions then you might never (or very rarely) get to play a team in the opposite division because you're too occupied with just all the games in your own division.
The only real solution is to have a 32-team National Playoff. Or at least 16-team. Because conference play will have differing & unfair schedules. Make it like basketball, where it makes absolutely no difference as long as you're in the top few teams.
 
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