B1G Cancels Football Season

[leodisflowers]

If we were only talking about Lincoln, I'd happily say go play. But we're talking about the entire country. Our country has 1/3 of all the active cases worldwide. Our country has almost 70,000 more deaths than the next closest country. Our country still has almost 2.4 million active covid-19 cases.

I wish people had given a shit about this impacting football back in April so we might be in a better position to actually see football this fall.

As far as population goes, you might want to compare countries as far as deaths per 1M of the population as the US dwarfs most countries in population. Also, the US is one of the most toured countries in the world. The virus was seeded with different strains on both coasts and other major cities due to the amount of visits we receive from outside countries. It's really hard to compare the US most of the world. Finally, the average death age is 80, life expectancy in the US is less than that. Chill out a little bit. Yes the virus is a doozy, but back off the ledge a little bit.

This virus is also a very political topic and it is probably worse because it is an election year. Yes, the virus doesn't care about politics, but it went from listen to the science to whatever fits a narrative on both sides. If we really looked into the science, it would say protect the elderly and vulnerable, be healthy and boost your immune system, maintain better hygiene and move on with our lives.

 

[leodisflowers]

 

[Rick Chick]

At this point reality is more important than NU.
Id like to get out of the twilight zone we are currently in. The BIG deserves an egg on its face.
NU should demand they let us play. If they say no, we should play anyway. If they kick us out, they can pound sand.

The B1G could suspend the University from playing all sports if they did that. You’re not part of any other tv deal either. No team in the B1G is going to play any FB this fall, it’s a done deal.

 

[huntered]

163,000 Americans have died of Covid-19 in less than six months from this highly transmittable virus. But yes, it's "socialist logic".

how many 18-25 y/o ? the question is easy enough? how many? prove the danger and stop trying a feeble attempt to change question to fit your agenda. how many 18-25 y/o have died from wuhan flu? how many many 18-25 y/o have died from auto accidents using a cell phone at the time? how many from seasonal flu? how many from suicide? how about alcohol intoxication? drug overdose?

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

So school presidents are willing to take a guaranteed $78 million loss, based on the potential for liability lawsuits? Why not just let those who want to play sign a liability waiver? How are universities going to survive this revenue loss?

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Because waivers aren't worth squat. If a school makes a mistake with protocol...even if it is innocent and accidental, a half-assed lawyer can can sue and win for negligence. A waiver doesn't get the school off the hook.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

how many 18-25 y/o ? the question is easy enough? how many? prove the danger and stop trying a feeble attempt to change question to fit your agenda. how many 18-25 y/o have died from wuhan flu? how many many 18-25 y/o have died from auto accidents using a cell phone at the time? how many from seasonal flu? how many from suicide? how about alcohol intoxication? drug overdose?

None of those things are contagious, aisde from the flu. There is zero chance that a player dies of alcohol intoxication because of something he caught by playing football.

Snark aside.....I just watched the MAC commissioner on Paul Finebaum. The medical advisors they consulted included personnel from the state health departments of the footprint states. The commissioner said that it was a consensus opinion among those people that they not proceed with football at this time.

Yes....the death rate for young people is nearly zero. However, there are lots of unknowns still with this virus. We need to stop viewing this as a virus from which you either die or come out of it perfectly fine, as we do know that there are varying outcomes in between the two. The commissioner mentioned that the main concern was potential heart damage.

And yes...as The Beav said....there is a liability issue involved, no doubt.

 

[jflores]

The B1G could suspend the University from playing all sports if they did that. You’re not part of any other tv deal either. No team in the B1G is going to play any FB this fall, it’s a done deal.

Alot of these posts are going out into left field.


Supposedly we want to play a) because its fun and b) because the money is a necessity.

All these folks who just want to play to play and leave the B1G money behind, are essentially giving up on b out of spite. We may as well not have played and got the money next year.

 

[red scowl]

Because waivers aren't worth squat. If a school makes a mistake with protocol...even if it is innocent and accidental, a half-assed lawyer can can sue and win for negligence. A waiver doesn't get the school off the hook.

How would the lawyer prove the player was infected at football practice? I think alot of attorneys wouldn't take that case, but maybe the half-assed one would.

 

[red scowl]

Alot of these posts are going out into left field.


Supposedly we want to play a) because its fun and b) because the money is a necessity.

All these folks who just want to play to play and leave the B1G money behind, are essentially giving up on b out of spite. We may as well not have played and got the money next year.

You jumped the shark. It's not about leaving the B1G. Its about having a 2020 football season.

 

[jflores]

You jumped the shark. It's not about leaving the B1G. Its about having a 2020 football season.

There's been a bunch of speculation/questions on this board whether having a 2020 season without the B1Gs blessing will put our conference affiliation at risk. The two may be linked.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

How would the lawyer prove the player was infected at football practice? I think alot of attorneys wouldn't take that case, but maybe the half-assed one would.

Probably not about catching it at practice.

And there's always a lawyer that will take a case.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

As far as population goes, you might want to compare countries as far as deaths per 1M of the population as the US dwarfs most countries in population. Also, the US is one of the most toured countries in the world. The virus was seeded with different strains on both coasts and other major cities due to the amount of visits we receive from outside countries. It's really hard to compare the US most of the world. Finally, the average death age is 80, life expectancy in the US is less than that. Chill out a little bit. Yes the virus is a doozy, but back off the ledge a little bit.

This virus is also a very political topic and it is probably worse because it is an election year. Yes, the virus doesn't care about politics, but it went from listen to the science to whatever fits a narrative on both sides. If we really looked into the science, it would say protect the elderly and vulnerable, be healthy and boost your immune system, maintain better hygiene and move on with our lives.

I don't think this is about athletes dying. It's about not knowing about what long-term effects are from it. I've said it a million times....death and being fine are not the only two outcomes of this virus.

 

[huntered]

None of those things are contagious, aisde from the flu. There is zero chance that a player dies of alcohol intoxication because of something he caught by playing football.

Snark aside.....I just watched the MAC commissioner on Paul Finebaum. The medical advisors they consulted, which included personnel from the state health departments of the footprint states. The commissioner said that it was a consensus opinion among those people that they not proceed with football at this time.

Yes....the death rate for young people is nearly zero. However, there are lots of unknowns still with this virus. We need to stop viewing this as a virus from which you either die or come out of it perfectly fine, as we do know that there are varying outcomes in between the two. The commissioner mentioned that the main concern was potential heart damage.

And yes...as The Beav said....there is a liability issue involved, no doubt.

please show us the facts. potential long term heart problems? based on what? does it somehow mean if you contact wuhan outside the football stadium everything will be ok. what's the chance picking a wuhan flu virus away from the football program. socializing for 18-25 y/o's, really do you even in your wildest dreams think these young men will be "safer" away from the football program. finally personel from state health departments can certainly mean a whole host of science and political driven opinions. that's why i keep saying show us the facts, not a made up opinion based on very limited data at this point. compare the facts to known maladies that exist for 18-25 y/o's and give the public a clear picture on how the decision was made.

 

[scarletred]

I don't think this is about athletes dying. It's about not knowing about what long-term effects are from it. I've said it a million times....death and being fine are not the only two outcomes of this virus.

If you eat too much everyday you don’t know if your going to die from a heart attack but that doesn’t stop from people eating too much..

 

[bomber89]

The big ten would never let Nebraska play if the big ten cancels. If Nebraska tried to do that they would be kicked out, that or take 91% of any income the Huskers made from playing.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

I don't think this is about athletes dying. It's about not knowing about what long-term effects are from it. I've said it a million times....death and being fine are not the only two outcomes of this virus.

let's not focus on this one thing that's a 99.9% chance of not happening.

let's focus on this other thing that's 99.9% not likely to happen.

and then let's combine to two. maybe that'll get us up to 99.85% not likely to happen.

and then let's make tons of restrictive rules about what everyone can and can't do based on that math.

real galaxy brain stuff here from our resident educator.

 

[red scowl]

Probably not about catching it at practice.

And there's always a lawyer that will take a case.

Lol

 

[JoelBittner]

As far as population goes, you might want to compare countries as far as deaths per 1M of the population as the US dwarfs most countries in population. Also, the US is one of the most toured countries in the world. The virus was seeded with different strains on both coasts and other major cities due to the amount of visits we receive from outside countries. It's really hard to compare the US most of the world. Finally, the average death age is 80, life expectancy in the US is less than that. Chill out a little bit. Yes the virus is a doozy, but back off the ledge a little bit.

This virus is also a very political topic and it is probably worse because it is an election year. Yes, the virus doesn't care about politics, but it went from listen to the science to whatever fits a narrative on both sides. If we really looked into the science, it would say protect the elderly and vulnerable, be healthy and boost your immune system, maintain better hygiene and move on with our lives.

this is like saying . . . both sides embrace the phrase "by any means necessary" equally ..... uuhhhhhmmmmmm, no. That would be false.

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ORLANDO, Fla. - After FOX 35 News noticed errors in the state's report on positivity rates, the Florida Department of Health said that some laboratories have not been reporting negative test result data to the state.

Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 News found that testing sites like one local Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive.

How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report.

The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.
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https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/f...s-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results

So when you are made aware of the info above . . . either someone is lying, or almost everyone is affected and the death rates are lower than first predicted . . . either way it reveals things aren't as bad as a biased media wants you to believe it is

 

[bingo65]

As far as population goes, you might want to compare countries as far as deaths per 1M of the population as the US dwarfs most countries in population. Also, the US is one of the most toured countries in the world. The virus was seeded with different strains on both coasts and other major cities due to the amount of visits we receive from outside countries. It's really hard to compare the US most of the world. Finally, the average death age is 80, life expectancy in the US is less than that. Chill out a little bit. Yes the virus is a doozy, but back off the ledge a little bit.

This virus is also a very political topic and it is probably worse because it is an election year. Yes, the virus doesn't care about politics, but it went from listen to the science to whatever fits a narrative on both sides. If we really looked into the science, it would say protect the elderly and vulnerable, be healthy and boost your immune system, maintain better hygiene and move on with our lives.

well the problem with your opinion is the doctors are the ones who recommended most of what we are doing and they are not doing it for political reasons. the VAST majority of doctors have not recommended ignoring the virus and moving on with our lives. They are losing business with their recommendations and are solidly conservative by percentages

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

let's not focus on this one thing that's a 99.9% chance of not happening.

let's focus on this other thing that's 99.9% not likely to happen.

and then let's combine to two. maybe that'll get us up to 99.85% not likely to happen.

and then let's make tons of restrictive rules about what everyone can and can't do based on that math.

real galaxy brain stuff here from our resident educator.

Are there still a lot of unknowns about the virus, specifically the length/ permanence of heart and lung damage?

Just watched the MAC commissioner on Paul Finebaum. Their medical advisory board was, as he put it, "unequivocal" about there not being a way to go forward, with the main concern being heart issues and the unknowns surrounding it ....but I'm sure you know more than they do. And, if you do, then provide evidence of such. You can start with educational credentials, medical residency, and experience treating COVID patients.

Or you can go take a hike. Either one is fine.

 

[bingo65]

let's not focus on this one thing that's a 99.9% chance of not happening.

let's focus on this other thing that's 99.9% not likely to happen.

and then let's combine to two. maybe that'll get us up to 99.85% not likely to happen.

and then let's make tons of restrictive rules about what everyone can and can't do based on that math.

real galaxy brain stuff here from our resident educator.

your statements seem reasonable upon first review. and personally i think there can be a season without a huge outbreak or numerous serious complications. I dont think the obstacle is death. i think the obstacle is complications and perception. I think its reasonable to assume by the end of a season there could be several hospitalizations of players due to covid. And there will probably be a handful of cases of myocarditis. i think those images and even a small possibility of an athlete having complications from myocarditis are very scary to administrations who know there are a lot of non college fb fans who think they shouldn't be playing fb. There would be a huge media backlash that these things could have been avoided. All that said, i still think they should play. But i understand why its not an automatic decision to play

 

[bingo65]

Are there still a lot of unknowns about the virus, specifically the length/ permanence of heart and lung damage?

Just watched the MAC commissioner on Paul Finebaum. Their medical advisory board was, as he put it, "unequivocal" about there not being a way to go forward, with the main concern being heart issues and the unknowns surrounding it ....but I'm sure you know more than they do. And, if you do, then provide evidence of such.

Or go take a hike.

doctors have actually been dealing with viral myocarditis for decades. they have tests now to diagnosis it early and treatments to help the heart recover. Most of the time it resolves. I think i read they estimate 10% of flu patients get myocarditis and rarely does it cause long term issues. But it has. Early detection is a benefit.And the schools are looking for it.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

doctors have actually been dealing with viral myocarditis for decades. they have tests now to diagnosis it early and treatments to help the heart recover. Most of the time it resolves. I think i read they estimate 10% of flu patients get myocarditis and rarely does it cause long term issues. But it has. Early detection is a benefit.And the schools are looking for it.

Just expressing what the commissioner said with regards to his medical advisory board.....

This is also not the flu.

 

[JaySker402]

The B1G could suspend the University from playing all sports if they did that. You’re not part of any other tv deal either. No team in the B1G is going to play any FB this fall, it’s a done deal.

that is why I suggested an temp conf, which money from the PPV (no fans in stadiums) going back to the conferences

 

[frostonthegrass]

Kirk Herbstreit
@KirkHerbstreit
·
15m

To be clear regarding
@B1Gfootball
and their impending announcement-they are looking TO DELAY the start of the season NOT TO CANCEL.

 

[John_J_Rambo]

Just expressing what the commissioner said with regards to his medical advisory board.....

This is also not the flu.

if you're a professional snowboarder and break your leg snowboarding, doctors will tell you it's probably best to stop snowboarding.

it's what doctors do. I'm not surprised in the least that doctors are telling everyone they can to try not to get covid.

commissioners of conferences aren't mouthpieces for doctors, nor are they prone to hiding behind uncertainty of outcome and player safety. they're paid to administer on behalf of their members.

multiple studies have shown more than 10% of college football players develop CTE in their lives, which comes fraught with unknowns. yet, we don't hear too much from the mouths of doctors via conference commissioners about that one, although you can say it's contagious in a way and certainly is directly caused by football.

seems inconsistent. at best.

 

[Crazyhole]

Moos is the kind of guy that will tell the conference to shove it, we are going to play. If he does that, at least 4 or 5 conference partners will join suit and the Big10 would lose their leverage. He'd probably have a statue built in his honor before he retires if he does so.

 

[Crazyhole]

Just think of it this way:

Eichorst would 100% fall in line with not playing. Continued irrelevance.

You guys want nebraska to be a player again? Here's our chance to lead the pack and become relevant again. The Nebraska way has always been to not be told what to do. I say let's do it and tell everybody else to try and stop us.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

if you're a professional snowboarder and break your leg snowboarding, doctors will tell you it's probably best to stop snowboarding.

it's what doctors do. I'm not surprised in the least that doctors are telling everyone they can to try not to get covid.

commissioners of conferences aren't mouthpieces for doctors, nor are they prone to hiding behind uncertainty of outcome and player safety. they're paid to administer on behalf of their members.

multiple studies have shown more than 10% of college football players develop CTE in their lives, which comes fraught with unknowns. yet, we don't hear too much from the mouths of doctors via conference commissioners about that one, although you can say it's contagious in a way and certainly is directly caused by football.

seems inconsistent. at best.

I asked you for your educational background and medical credentials in another reply. I see you have yet to disclose that. Don't need your real name...pre-med, med school, and residency history will suffice.

I did break my leg when I was an athlete. I was never told not to play again.

BTW--An athlete isn't going to get a broken leg or CTE from an infected opponent breathing in his face. Another stupid comment from our resident medical (non) expert.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Are there still a lot of unknowns about the virus, specifically the length/ permanence of heart and lung damage?

Just watched the MAC commissioner on Paul Finebaum. Their medical advisory board was, as he put it, "unequivocal" about there not being a way to go forward, with the main concern being heart issues and the unknowns surrounding it ....but I'm sure you know more than they do. And, if you do, then provide evidence of such. You can start with educational credentials, medical residency, and experience treating COVID patients.

Or you can go take a hike. Either one is fine.

I’m very surprised you’re a football fan. What about all the long term effects of concussions?

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

I’m very surprised you’re a football fan. What about all the long term effects of concussions?

Has a player ever gotten a concussion from an opponent breathing in his face?

 

[TampaBaySkers]

Has a player ever gotten a concussion from an opponent breathing in his face?

Nice deflection. Just shows how big of a hypocrite you are.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

Nice deflection. Just shows how big of a hypocrite you are.

Studies are being done on how to improve equipment to mitigate concussion risks. New tackling techniques are being pushed. You see....people that have been involved in the game in the last 10-15 years, as opposed to the Al Bundy/Uncle Rico that you probably are, are aware of these things.

Please tell us how players on the field are going to lessen their risk of catching a virus from an opposing player without severely altering the game. I suppose we could do "socially distant tackling", where the ball carrier is down once a defensive player gets to within 6' of him.

 

[HominidHusker]

This kind of reminds me of Frost’s first year when his true frosh QB had OSU on their heels in the horseshoe. We had a chance to take that game....

then the onside kick went backwards.

 

[JoelBittner]

let's not focus on this one thing that's a 99.9% chance of not happening.

let's focus on this other thing that's 99.9% not likely to happen.

and then let's combine to two. maybe that'll get us up to 99.85% not likely to happen.

and then let's make tons of restrictive rules about what everyone can and can't do based on that math.

real galaxy brain stuff here from our resident educator.

common core math ... easy peasy ...

 

[Mack In Motion]

Kirk Herbstreit
@KirkHerbstreit
·
15m

To be clear regarding
@B1Gfootball
and their impending announcement-they are looking TO DELAY the start of the season NOT TO CANCEL.

Did Herbie say whether this is a "delay" as in 2 weeks or a "delay" as in 4 - 12 months?

 

[John_J_Rambo]

I asked you for your educational background and medical credentials in another reply. I see you have yet to disclose that. Don't need your real name...pre-med, med school, and residency history will suffice.

I did break my leg when I was an athlete. I was never told not to play again.

BTW--An athlete isn't going to get a broken leg or CTE from an infected opponent breathing in his face. Another stupid comment from our resident medical (non) expert.

asking for my credentials doesn't make you any smarter, sorry. and I don't see you prefacing any of your medical opinions with your credentials.

concussions are similarly contagious to covid in football context, can be much more dangerous, and are directly related to football.

 

[dinglefritz]

well the problem with your opinion is the doctors are the ones who recommended most of what we are doing and they are not doing it for political reasons. the VAST majority of doctors have not recommended ignoring the virus and moving on with our lives. They are losing business with their recommendations and are solidly conservative by percentages

NOBODY is saying to ignore the virus and move on with our lives. Good Lord man. Exaggerate much? What is true is what a Mayo Clinic infectious disease specialist said on ESPN radio yesterday morning. College athletes and sports are not the problem here. The normal lifestyle of college aged people is the problem. We would likely have no more football players get sick with COVID playing football than if they don't play football. The way most of academia is approaching this for college students in particular is insane.

 

[TampaBaySkers]

How am I a hypocrite?

Not going to spoon feed it to you. If you can’t figure it out, then go upstairs and ask your mom.

 

[Nebraska_Reality]

Not going to spoon feed it to you. If you can’t figure it out, then go upstairs and ask your mom.

So, in other words, you're full of crap. Got it.