Attack on anti-racism

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I think the whole "whiteness" thing is really nuanced AF.

I think it's actually OK to be opposed to a concept labeled "whiteness" that suggests someone who is "white" is inherently something different than someone who is not "white." This idea of "white" being different has historically led to the idea of "white" being better and should be opposed. Therefore, in one sense, opposition to "whiteness" as a concept of differentiation is a good thing.

However, it's not helpful, and in fact, counterproductive to oppose the concept of "whiteness" differentiation by saying "white" or "white" people are inherently bad, or inherently anything. Essentially, it's the same thing in reverse. It's saying that "whiteness" is inherently bad, when it's not really "whiteness" that's bad, it's "racial differentiation" that's bad. This is one of the areas where the well-intentioned "anti-racism" of people like Kendi goes to far into an unproductive, and indeed, polarizing "racialism." Not racism, but racialism.
Bingo 100% agree. When it's just claimed they are teaching history that is not what it is. I love history and like learning new things from history and how we can be better. I roll my eyes when people expect people from like the ages of the crusades to act exactly like us for instance. We are way different than we were back then in all cultures. Kendi takes things way too far and if anyone hasn't read things about him he tries to indoctrinate people in Marxism as well. We can sign up for learning about misgivings of history and making sure it doesn't happen again and also placing the blame where it needs to go. It does not mean we need to say we in this generation are responsible for those events from 300 years ago and I don't want to learn about ideals of Karl Marx. No thanks.
 

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I think the whole "whiteness" thing is really nuanced AF.

I think it's actually OK to be opposed to a concept labeled "whiteness" that suggests someone who is "white" is inherently something different than someone who is not "white." This idea of "white" being different has historically led to the idea of "white" being better and should be opposed. Therefore, in one sense, opposition to "whiteness" as a concept of differentiation is a good thing.

However, it's not helpful, and in fact, counterproductive to oppose the concept of "whiteness" differentiation by saying "white" or "white" people are inherently bad, or inherently anything. Essentially, it's the same thing in reverse. It's saying that "whiteness" is inherently bad, when it's not really "whiteness" that's bad, it's "racial differentiation" that's bad. This is one of the areas where the well-intentioned "anti-racism" of people like Kendi goes too far into an unproductive, and indeed, polarizing "racialism." Not racism, but racialism.
However, it's a response -- and really a reasonable one in the abstract -- to the long and deep history of racism in this country, which is so embedded in the legal, economic, and societal makeup of this country that it's hard to combat without very strong and very serious measures.

The entire legal system from top to bottom is built on racism. What I mean by this is that the early racist precedents (many of which still have not been overturned) created an entire system of legal jurisprudence rooted in racism, and it affects so many things. Similarly, much of the wealth creation of this country was created in racist economic situations and the legacy of this makes it very slow and difficult to reach economic equality or fairness. And this kind of thing goes on and on into so many systems within our country.

So when you really truly examine all of this, which Critical Race Theory has actually done a pretty good job of accurately critiquing, it's kind of understandable why someone would come up with such a drastic solution as Kendi-style anti-racism. But that doesn't make it right. I think CRT is a good appraisal of history, but the solutions proposed are basically "revenge," and that's not going to end up in a very good future for anyone.
 

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Bingo 100% agree. When it's just claimed they are teaching history that is not what it is. I love history and like learning new things from history and how we can be better. I roll my eyes when people expect people from like the ages of the crusades to act exactly like us for instance. We are way different than we were back then in all cultures. Kendi takes things way too far and if anyone hasn't read things about him he tries to indoctrinate people in Marxism as well. We can sign up for learning about misgivings of history and making sure it doesn't happen again and also placing the blame where it needs to go. It does not mean we need to say we in this generation are responsible for those events from 300 years ago and I don't want to learn about ideals of Karl Marx. No thanks.
Marxism is the right word. I do think some of it tends toward neo-Marxism. Marx was a brilliant economic mind and rightly identified a lot of the problems with unregulated capitalism. However, Marxism was too righteous, making certain groups inherently correct and others inherently wrong (labor vs capital). And there's a lot of that in some of this anti-racism from both an economic and philosophical standpoint.
 

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Really good article


For Kendi, it is not a case of imposing leftwing groupthink; it is being honest about America’s history, warts and all, and acknowledging that racism is not a jumble of individual prejudices but a pattern that locks in privilege or the lack of it.

^^^that is truth
This is who you referenced? Truth bombs! This dude is a complete clown show! He is a race hustler that can't define racism.


Kendi was asked to do one very simple thing: to define racism itself. Kendi failed signally in that task. “I would define it as a collection of racist policies that lead to racial inequity that are substantiated by racist ideas,” Kendi stated.

Kendi then reiterated his definition and added: “And antiracism is pretty simple using the same terms. Antiracism is a collection of antiracist policies leading to racial … equity that are substantiated by antiracist ideas.”

Yeahhhh TRUTH! Truth that this dude is a complete dumbass! The audience laughed at him in the video.
 
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This is who you referenced? Truth bombs! This dude is a complete clown show! He is a race hustler that can't define racism.


Kendi was asked to do one very simple thing: to define racism itself. Kendi failed signally in that task. “I would define it as a collection of racist policies that lead to racial inequity that are substantiated by racist ideas,” Kendi stated.

Kendi then reiterated his definition and added: “And antiracism is pretty simple using the same terms. Antiracism is a collection of antiracist policies leading to racial … equity that are substantiated by antiracist ideas.”

Yeahhhh TRUTH! Truth that this dude is a complete dumbass! The audience laughed at him in the video.
Kendi is an intellectual light-weight. He only pushes Marxism and pits people vs another. They had a lady on tv the other night that commented on the "anti-racism" and she said was exactly what she encountered in China except they did it with classism in China.
 
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Kendi is an intellectual light-weight. He only pushes Marxism and pits people vs another. They had a lady on tv the other night that commented on the "anti-racism" and she said was exactly what she encountered in China except they did it with classism in China.
Yes. I watched her too.
 

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This woman is scamming the white side or white libs of race hustling. It's pathetic how people fall in line so easy.

 

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Really good article


For Kendi, it is not a case of imposing leftwing groupthink; it is being honest about America’s history, warts and all, and acknowledging that racism is not a jumble of individual prejudices but a pattern that locks in privilege or the lack of it.

^^^that is truth
Think that is in fact a truth. Will agree the last paragraph. Problem is this isn’t want the media or govt leaders want... they want (and are succeeding in) making CRT the standard of care, and systematically breaking down and demonizing Everything Caucasian. Anyone espousing that can literally go f*ck themselves. We do need to teach about the warts, while maintaining Caucasian history in their country as MOSTLY a positive to the betterment of the entire world. The best solution lies somewhere in the middle, and this is NOT what the new standard of care is becoming.
 

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Think that is in fact a truth. Will agree the last paragraph. Problem is this isn’t want the media or govt leaders want... they want (and are succeeding in) making CRT the standard of care, and systematically breaking down and demonizing Everything Caucasian. Anyone espousing that can literally go f*ck themselves. We do need to teach about the warts, while maintaining Caucasian history in their country as MOSTLY a positive to the betterment of the entire world. The best solution lies somewhere in the middle, and this is NOT what the new standard of care is becoming.
Truth is almost always in the middle.
 

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Think that is in fact a truth. Will agree the last paragraph. Problem is this isn’t want the media or govt leaders want... they want (and are succeeding in) making CRT the standard of care, and systematically breaking down and demonizing Everything Caucasian. Anyone espousing that can literally go f*ck themselves. We do need to teach about the warts, while maintaining Caucasian history in their country as MOSTLY a positive to the betterment of the entire world. The best solution lies somewhere in the middle, and this is NOT what the new standard of care is becoming.
Can't both America has committed atrocities against its own and America built the modern world into what it is, be true
 

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Can't both America has committed atrocities against its own and America built the modern world into what it is, be true
Absolutely. I see in retrospect ABSOLUTELY that my education (80s/90s/00s) was whitewashed, to an extent. Was taught to think freely and to question Everything. Point is that CRT doesn’t support the latter necessarily, demonizing everything Caucasian, which is basically being embraced in current public higher education, and THAT’S where the ‘pushback’ is... I don’t think that it’s being designed by white supremacists. That’s left fringe hysteria. Pushing back against CRT should be a Very centrist position.
 
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Kids should be taught EVERYTHING, and to reach their own conclusions, and OBVIOUSLY not by teachers with a drum to beat. That’s not happening currently. 90%+ of higher education (college level and above) are decided libs, and it had a HUGE influence on youth. Congrats libs, ya won that. Saul’s book. If they’re actually taught the Truth about Everything by honest teachers, they’ll also know that the VAST majority of Americans, currently, are Not Racists (CRT can f*ck itself sideways on that shit), and that systemic racism, to some extent, exists EVERYWHERE. Colonialization occurred (obviously) to those most equipped to do so. If Africa were the most advanced society in the 1600s whites would have be the ones seeking reparations right now. Right? Jesus invent a damned time machine. Stop blaming me.
 

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Kids should be taught EVERYTHING, and to reach their own conclusions, and OBVIOUSLY not by teachers with a drum to beat. That’s not happening currently. 90%+ of higher education (college level and above) are decided libs, and it had a HUGE influence on youth. Congrats libs, ya won that. Saul’s book. If they’re actually taught the Truth about Everything by honest teachers, they’ll also know that the VAST majority of Americans, currently, are Not Racists (CRT can f*ck itself sideways on that shit), and that systemic racism, to some extent, exists EVERYWHERE. Colonialization occurred (obviously) to those most equipped to do so. If Africa were the most advanced society in the 1600s whites would have be the ones seeking reparations right now. Right? Jesus invent a damned time machine. Stop blaming me.
Man there alot to unpack here but again don't give a fvck what other countries founding fathers and citizens did, we need to own and admit the ones OUR country has done.

To not admit these, and there negative effects on a portion of our population today, is just scummy imo
 

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Kids should be taught EVERYTHING, and to reach their own conclusions, and OBVIOUSLY not by teachers with a drum to beat. That’s not happening currently. 90%+ of higher education (college level and above) are decided libs, and it had a HUGE influence on youth. Congrats libs, ya won that. Saul’s book. If they’re actually taught the Truth about Everything by honest teachers, they’ll also know that the VAST majority of Americans, currently, are Not Racists (CRT can f*ck itself sideways on that shit), and that systemic racism, to some extent, exists EVERYWHERE. Colonialization occurred (obviously) to those most equipped to do so. If Africa were the most advanced society in the 1600s whites would have be the ones seeking reparations right now. Right? Jesus invent a damned time machine. Stop blaming me.

Pity can be detrimental to the psyche. Causes pain when there is none, and weakens the spirit.

Give assistance, not pity. Too many people at the CRT pity party.

This is what the rioters, and protester types look like in my head...

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I can't hang with screeching weirdos.
 
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Man there alot to unpack here but again don't give a fvck what other countries founding fathers and citizens did, we need to own and admit the ones OUR country has done.

To not admit these, and there negative effects on a portion of our population today, is just scummy imo
We've already done this. Where have you been? You were not taught about slavery in school and that some of the founders has slaves? You might want more education then. It seems like what you are requiring is 21st century added white guilt in there. Sorry, but I had nothing to do with it. It was bad that it happened, but I own no blame in it sorry bud.
 

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You were not taught about slavery in school and that some of the founders has slaves?
No I was taught about all the "good things" that came out of slavery and how we "flipped like a switch" after the war.

PBS has a true rendition of American history during reconstruction every 7th-8th grader should watch for American history.


We basically whitewash all atrocities we have committed while highlighting everyone of the atrocities any other society committed.

And then you ignorant fvcks use "they did it too" as an excuse 🤷‍♂️
 

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It seems like what you are requiring is 21st century added white guilt in there. Sorry, but I had nothing to do with it. It was bad that it happened, but I own no blame in it sorry bud.
No shit but your parents played a part and it plays a part in your and other Americans socioeconomical place in the world 🤷‍♂️

Couple more generations and hopefully we have move past that ugly truth.

Now there's nothing to feel guilty about unless you are one of the pos's like the lady in Central Park.

If you use the racial bais of cops, employers, social groups believing a middle class white person over any minority to lie and harm that person, then you should feel guilty as you are a piece of shit.
 

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The sad part is most dumb conservatives don't realize they have been duped into becoming a tool for advancing the southern cause of rolling back minority rights. Bunch of fools.
I bet you are one of those idiots who think skyscrapers are built out of cotton.....
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No shit but your parents played a part and it plays a part in your and other Americans socioeconomical place in the world 🤷‍♂️

Couple more generations and hopefully we have move past that ugly truth.

Now there's nothing to feel guilty about unless you are one of the pos's like the lady in Central Park.

If you use the racial bais of cops, employers, social groups believing a middle class white person over any minority to lie and harm that person, then you should feel guilty as you are a piece of shit.
That's a complete cop out there on the socio-economical piece and has been proven many times. African immigrants make more $ than African-American citizens. You don't need multiple generations to fix and that proves it. Clearly multiple generations helps to a degree (if there is a large inheritance, which is rare), but that is same for all people of all races. It all depends if you prioritize education. I don't mean getting a gender studies degree. I mean a real degree.

Once again and I point this out all the time what is your excuse for the fact that penniless immigrants from Asia come to the USA and are successful and more so than people who have lived here for generations? There is an answer you just aren't willing to admit and just make excuses for people.
 

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That's a complete cop out there on the socio-economical piece and has been proven many times. African immigrants make more $ than African-American citizens. You don't need multiple generations to fix and that proves it. Clearly multiple generations helps to a degree (if there is a large inheritance, which is rare), but that is same for all people of all races. It all depends if you prioritize education. I don't mean getting a gender studies degree. I mean a real degree.

Once again and I point this out all the time what is your excuse for the fact that penniless immigrants from Asia come to the USA and are successful and more so than people who have lived here for generations? There is an answer you just aren't willing to admit and just make excuses for people.
The dems and our communist buddy @nelsonj22 have a mindset that all black Americans are victims rather than focusing on their cultural norms that perpetuate crime and poverty.
 
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The dems and our communist buddy @nelsonj22 have a mindset that all black Americans are victims rather than focusing on their cultural norms that perpetuate crime and poverty.
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That's a complete cop out there on the socio-economical piece and has been proven many times. African immigrants make more $ than African-American citizens. You don't need multiple generations to fix and that proves it. Clearly multiple generations helps to a degree (if there is a large inheritance, which is rare), but that is same for all people of all races. It all depends if you prioritize education. I don't mean getting a gender studies degree. I mean a real degree.

Once again and I point this out all the time what is your excuse for the fact that penniless immigrants from Asia come to the USA and are successful and more so than people who have lived here for generations? There is an answer you just aren't willing to admit and just make excuses for people.
You pick out anomalies and compare them to centuries of slavery, then endentured servitude, and within my parents lifetimes have went from "you aren't really humans to maybe you are and we'll give you some scraps".

This isn't ancient history, this is real life that the parental/grandparents of most minorities had to deal with. Horrific things and you don't think those shape today's lives?

So nothing you have is from teachings from elders in your life? GTFO with that BS
 

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You pick out anomalies and compare them to centuries of slavery, then endentured servitude, and within my parents lifetimes have went from "you aren't really humans to maybe you are and we'll give you some scraps".

This isn't ancient history, this is real life that the parental/grandparents of most minorities had to deal with. Horrific things and you don't think those shape today's lives?

So nothing you have is from teachings from elders in your life? GTFO with that BS
This is based on a very large sample size and are not anomalies. You just don't accept reality and accept victimhood. Your talking points sound like you got brainwashed ten times over.
 

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This is based on a very large sample size and are not anomalies. You just don't accept reality and accept victimhood.
🤣 so your life isn't distinctly shaped by your parents, grandparents, or older positive forces in your life? You don't model yourself after them?

Those same people in minorities were born into and lived in a very hostile, antiamerican dream, environment. Those are facts.

Those fact shape people into what they become. To deny that is just plain retarded.
 

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🤣 so your life isn't distinctly shaped by your parents, grandparents, or older positive forces in your life? You don't model yourself after them?

Those same people in minorities were born into and lived in a very hostile, antiamerican dream, environment. Those are facts.

Those fact shape people into what they become. To deny that is just plain retarded.
67% of all black kids are born into a single family home. Quit acting like they are victims and maybe take a look at their culture.
 
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🤣 so your life isn't distinctly shaped by your parents, grandparents, or older positive forces in your life? You don't model yourself after them?

Those same people in minorities were born into and lived in a very hostile, antiamerican dream, environment. Those are facts.

Those fact shape people into what they become. To deny that is just plain retarded.
Considering my father was not involved in my life no, but mother yes. You conveniently didn't make comments on the facts that immigrant Africans make more money or Asian immigrants make more. Excuses again.
 

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🤣 so your life isn't distinctly shaped by your parents, grandparents, or older positive forces in your life? You don't model yourself after them?

Those same people in minorities were born into and lived in a very hostile, antiamerican dream, environment. Those are facts.

Those fact shape people into what they become. To deny that is just plain retarded.

I think that is what we are all saying here. That their environment or culture they live in, needs to change. But to enact change, there needs to be a willingness to accept change, by everyone involved. If people are to accept assistance, they must unburden themselves of past issues. They need to look forward. Instead of trying to blame or change the past to suite their feelings, look towards a peaceful means to create a better future.

It's like planting a tree though. You won't necessarily get to enjoy it, but future generations will.
 
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67% of all black kids are born into a single family home. Quit acting like they are victims and maybe take a look at their culture.
Yes prosecution and policies to keep their fathers, grandfathers "in there place" and less than, has no effect on that huh dipshit?
 

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Considering my father was not involved in my life no, but mother yes. You conveniently didn't make comments on the facts that immigrant Africans make more money or Asian immigrants make more. Excuses again.
Those immigrants from those countries have to come from something or they don't get here.

Those immigrants relatives that raised them weren't fvcked over by the US govt and her citizens.

And those immigrants rarely stand up for themselves and "shut up and work" where Americans have been taught you have equal rights.

Those Americans bitch about unequal treatment and it is frowned upon by a huge segment of white America.
 

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I think that is what we are all saying here. That their environment or culture they live in, needs to change. But to enact change, there needs to be a willingness to accept change, by everyone involved. If people are to accept assistance, they must unburden themselves of past issues. They need to look forward. Instead of trying to blame or change the past to suite their feelings, look towards a peaceful means to create a better future.

It's like planting a tree though. You won't necessarily get to enjoy it, but future generations will.
100% and nothing but personal responsibility will pull them out.

But to act like it is a problem that they have in their culture, without accepting that America's white citizens and govt had a HUGE hand in their struggles, is just being a racist pos.
 
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Yes prosecution and policies to keep their fathers, grandfathers "in there place" and less than, has no effect on that huh dipshit?
If you can accept the premise that many parts of America have adopted a more “progressive” agenda over the last few decades, why has their been an increase in fatherless households of black families in our most progressive communities?

careful… don’t say something racist
 

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Yes prosecution and policies to keep their fathers, grandfathers "in there place" and less than, has no effect on that huh dipshit?
Or maybe they get women pregnant and leave...... also black males age 18-50 comit over 50% of all violent crimes... again maybe look at their culture instead of making them put to be victims.
 

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Or maybe they get women pregnant and leave...... also black males age 18-50 comit over 50% of all violent crimes... again maybe look at their culture instead of making them put to be victims.
K so they are just that way? No outside forces influencing anything?

You are a fvcking retard if you believe that.
 

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Or maybe they get women pregnant and leave...... also black males age 18-50 comit over 50% of all violent crimes... again maybe look at their culture instead of making them put to be victims.
Also if white wife beaters got arrested at any type of acceptable rate those violently crimes would be different.
 

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