As I watch Oregon St. hold 19th ranked UCLA's Jonathan Franklin....

[Hoosker Du]

to just 45 yards rushing, I think about how he went off on us for 217 yards the previous week. I also think about how Oregon St. held a Wisconsin team that scored 70 points on us in the B1G title game to 7 points and 35 yards rushing.

I'm smiling thinking what these guys can do after they hit their stride in recruiting..

 

[EyeLuvDaHuskerz]

Point well taken however it isn't like Oregon State was the only team to figure out how to slow down or even stop running backs who ran through a Pelini defense like Taco Bell.

 

[HuskerNinja]

to just 45 yards rushing, I think about how he went off on us for 217 yards the previous week. I also think about how Oregon St. held a Wisconsin team that scored 70 points on us in the B1G title game to 7 points and 35 yards rushing.

I'm smiling thinking what these guys can do after they hit their stride in recruiting..

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He was super tired from running roughshod on the Huskers. The tank was empty.

 

[huskerbux]

Point well taken however it isn't like Oregon State was the only team to figure out how to slow down or even stop running backs who ran through a Pelini defense like Taco Bell.

True, but the fact they were one of them is a plus!

 

[timnsun]

Point well taken however it isn't like Oregon State was the only team to figure out how to slow down or even stop running backs who ran through a Pelini defense like Taco Bell.

Pretty sure the point was this coaching staff knows how to stop the run, as opposed to the previous staff. It's a pretty good feeling knowing we won't have to watch the track meets any more. Who cares about other teams? The one we have this year will be able to stop the run... That's all that matters.

 

[inWV]

Hank Hughes is no slouch coaching run defense. He had top ten defenses at UCONN, both against the run and overall. I really like him as an add to this staff.

 

[spinner4]

2012 was a good year for the beavers. Now 2014, not so much.

Over 500 yds & 45 points to Cal (a 5-7 team) & Right @ 500 yds & 39 points to Wash State (3-9 team). Oh and Oregon State lost both games. I know they had some key injuries last fall but that's why you don't make your recruiting prime targets 5.5 & 5.6 3-star types. No quality depth. Sure one or two low stars will pan out but not all will. But that's another fight for another time.

Yippee Banker did reasonably well in 2012.

All jokes aside, I am excited about Hank Hughes.

 

[nebcountry]

I'm really ready for the season to start. Anticipation with uncertainty, but you always need to have hope.

 

[WestOmahaFirstWorldProblems]

Hank Hughes is no slouch coaching run defense.

Washington vs Oregon State (Nov 23, 2013 at Corvallis, Ore.)

Washington (7-4,4-4) vs. Oregon State (6-5,4-4)

Date: Nov 23, 2013 • Site: Corvallis, Ore. • Stadium: Reser Stadium • Attendance: 43779

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
Washington 17 10 21 21 69
Oregon State 0 0 0 27 27

SCORING SUMMARY WASH -OSU
1st 12:29 WASH Sankey, Bishop 3 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
7 plays, 38 yards, TOP 2:31 7 - 0
10:56 WASH Sankey, Bishop 5 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
3 plays, 60 yards, TOP 0:34 14 - 0
06:36 WASH Coons, Travis 44 yd field goal
8 plays, 43 yards, TOP 2:38 17 - 0
2nd 10:36 WASH Coons, Travis 24 yd field goal
6 plays, 15 yards, TOP 2:20 20 - 0
06:36 WASH Smith, Kevin 28 yd pass from Miles, Cyler (Coons, Travis kick)
7 plays, 65 yards, TOP 2:14 27 - 0
3rd 08:36 WASH Sankey, Bishop 8 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
14 plays, 73 yards, TOP 4:55 34 - 0
03:55 WASH Cooper, Deontae 2 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
6 plays, 88 yards, TOP 2:51 41 - 0
02:01 WASH Thompson, Shaq 80 yd interception return (Coons, Travis kick)
48 - 0
4th 14:40 OSU Cooks, Brandin 29 yd pass from Mannion, Sean (Romaine, Trevor kick failed)
10 plays, 71 yards, TOP 2:14 48 - 6
13:58 WASH Cooper, Deontae 1 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
3 plays, 75 yards, TOP 0:42 55 - 6
12:56 WASH Washington, Dw. 32 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
2 plays, 37 yards, TOP 0:49 62 - 6
12:40 OSU Bolden, Victor 98 yd kickoff return (Romaine, Trevor kick)
62 - 13
05:33 OSU Brown, Chris 3 yd run (Romaine, Trevor kick)
9 plays, 74 yards, TOP 2:49 62 - 20
04:38 WASH Washington, Dw. 71 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
2 plays, 75 yards, TOP 0:55 69 - 20
02:25 OSU Hatfield, Micah 33 yd pass from Vaz, Cody (Romaine, Trevor kick)
5 plays, 66 yards, TOP 2:07 69 - 27

Kickoff time: 7:36 pm • End of Game: 11:08 pm • Total elapsed time: 3:32
Referee: Jay Stricherz • Umpire: Matt Richards • Linesman: Dan Antonietti • Line judge: Randy Campbell • Back judge: Brad Robinson • Field judge: Steve Currie • Side judge: Clay Reynard •
Temperature: 35 deg. • Wind: 0 mph • Weather: clear, cold
Team Statistics
Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
Washington vs Oregon State (Nov 23, 2013 at Corvallis, Ore.)

Team Totals WASH OSU
FIRST DOWNS 27 23
Rushing 18 5
Passing 8 16
Penalty 1 2
NET YARDS RUSHING 530 106
Rushing Attempts 58 22
Average Per Rush 9.1 4.8
Rushing Touchdowns 7 1
Yards Gained Rushing 533 118
Yards Lost Rushing 3 12
NET YARDS PASSING 162 308
Completions-Attempts-Int 15-24-0 26-49-3
Average Per Attempt 6.8 6.3
Average Per Completion 10.8 11.8
Passing Touchdowns 1 2
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 692 414
Total offense plays 82 71
Average Gain Per Play 8.4 5.8
Fumbles: Number-Lost 0-0 1-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 4-43 2-10
PUNTS-YARDS 4-138 7-264
Average Yards Per Punt 34.5 37.7
Net Yards Per Punt 34.5 36.1
Inside 20 3 2
50+ Yards 1 0
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 3 4
KICKOFFS-YARDS 12-713 5-318
Average Yards Per Kickoff 59.4 63.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 34.0 34.4
Touchbacks 0 3
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 1-11-0 0-0-0
Average Per Return 11.0 0.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 2-71-0 12-305-1
Average Per Return 35.5 25.4
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 3-94-1 0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 33:07 26:53
1st Quarter 8:35 6:25
2nd Quarter 7:37 7:23
3rd Quarter 7:46 7:14
4th Quarter 9:09 5:51
Third-Down Conversions 10 of 17 5 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions 1 of 1 0 of 0
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 6-6 1-1
Touchdowns 5-6 1-1
Field goals 1-6 0-1
Sacks By: Number-Yards 3-12 0-0
PAT Kicks 9-9 3-4
Field Goals 2-2 0-0

 

[timnsun]

Washington vs Oregon State (Nov 23, 2013 at Corvallis, Ore.)

Washington (7-4,4-4) vs. Oregon State (6-5,4-4)

Date: Nov 23, 2013 • Site: Corvallis, Ore. • Stadium: Reser Stadium • Attendance: 43779

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
Washington 17 10 21 21 69
Oregon State 0 0 0 27 27

SCORING SUMMARY WASH -OSU
1st 12:29 WASH Sankey, Bishop 3 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
7 plays, 38 yards, TOP 2:31 7 - 0
10:56 WASH Sankey, Bishop 5 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
3 plays, 60 yards, TOP 0:34 14 - 0
06:36 WASH Coons, Travis 44 yd field goal
8 plays, 43 yards, TOP 2:38 17 - 0
2nd 10:36 WASH Coons, Travis 24 yd field goal
6 plays, 15 yards, TOP 2:20 20 - 0
06:36 WASH Smith, Kevin 28 yd pass from Miles, Cyler (Coons, Travis kick)
7 plays, 65 yards, TOP 2:14 27 - 0
3rd 08:36 WASH Sankey, Bishop 8 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
14 plays, 73 yards, TOP 4:55 34 - 0
03:55 WASH Cooper, Deontae 2 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
6 plays, 88 yards, TOP 2:51 41 - 0
02:01 WASH Thompson, Shaq 80 yd interception return (Coons, Travis kick)
48 - 0
4th 14:40 OSU Cooks, Brandin 29 yd pass from Mannion, Sean (Romaine, Trevor kick failed)
10 plays, 71 yards, TOP 2:14 48 - 6
13:58 WASH Cooper, Deontae 1 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
3 plays, 75 yards, TOP 0:42 55 - 6
12:56 WASH Washington, Dw. 32 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
2 plays, 37 yards, TOP 0:49 62 - 6
12:40 OSU Bolden, Victor 98 yd kickoff return (Romaine, Trevor kick)
62 - 13
05:33 OSU Brown, Chris 3 yd run (Romaine, Trevor kick)
9 plays, 74 yards, TOP 2:49 62 - 20
04:38 WASH Washington, Dw. 71 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
2 plays, 75 yards, TOP 0:55 69 - 20
02:25 OSU Hatfield, Micah 33 yd pass from Vaz, Cody (Romaine, Trevor kick)
5 plays, 66 yards, TOP 2:07 69 - 27

Kickoff time: 7:36 pm • End of Game: 11:08 pm • Total elapsed time: 3:32
Referee: Jay Stricherz • Umpire: Matt Richards • Linesman: Dan Antonietti • Line judge: Randy Campbell • Back judge: Brad Robinson • Field judge: Steve Currie • Side judge: Clay Reynard •
Temperature: 35 deg. • Wind: 0 mph • Weather: clear, cold
Team Statistics
Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
Washington vs Oregon State (Nov 23, 2013 at Corvallis, Ore.)

Team Totals WASH OSU
FIRST DOWNS 27 23
Rushing 18 5
Passing 8 16
Penalty 1 2
NET YARDS RUSHING 530 106
Rushing Attempts 58 22
Average Per Rush 9.1 4.8
Rushing Touchdowns 7 1
Yards Gained Rushing 533 118
Yards Lost Rushing 3 12
NET YARDS PASSING 162 308
Completions-Attempts-Int 15-24-0 26-49-3
Average Per Attempt 6.8 6.3
Average Per Completion 10.8 11.8
Passing Touchdowns 1 2
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 692 414
Total offense plays 82 71
Average Gain Per Play 8.4 5.8
Fumbles: Number-Lost 0-0 1-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 4-43 2-10
PUNTS-YARDS 4-138 7-264
Average Yards Per Punt 34.5 37.7
Net Yards Per Punt 34.5 36.1
Inside 20 3 2
50+ Yards 1 0
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 3 4
KICKOFFS-YARDS 12-713 5-318
Average Yards Per Kickoff 59.4 63.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 34.0 34.4
Touchbacks 0 3
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 1-11-0 0-0-0
Average Per Return 11.0 0.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 2-71-0 12-305-1
Average Per Return 35.5 25.4
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 3-94-1 0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 33:07 26:53
1st Quarter 8:35 6:25
2nd Quarter 7:37 7:23
3rd Quarter 7:46 7:14
4th Quarter 9:09 5:51
Third-Down Conversions 10 of 17 5 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions 1 of 1 0 of 0
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 6-6 1-1
Touchdowns 5-6 1-1
Field goals 1-6 0-1
Sacks By: Number-Yards 3-12 0-0
PAT Kicks 9-9 3-4
Field Goals 2-2 0-0

I wouldn't have minded if you had condensed this a little, just posting specific stats, not the entire game timeline...

In all seriousness, however, I think the key to this thread is to look at common opponents during the same season, so that we are comparing apples to apples. The OP listed 2 of our meltdowns that occurred under Pelini, where the opponent rushed for a lot of yards. We couldn't stop them. Oregon State, however, going up against the same team, did. That's pretty significant if you ask me.

While the statline in this washington game is discouraging, I don't think it occurred because these coaches didn't know how to stop the run. I'm not sure I could say that with the previous coaching staff.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I wouldn't have minded if you had condensed this a little, just posting specific stats, not the entire game timeline...

In all seriousness, however, I think the key to this thread is to look at common opponents during the same season, so that we are comparing apples to apples. The OP listed 2 of our meltdowns that occurred under Pelini, where the opponent rushed for a lot of yards. We couldn't stop them. Oregon State, however, going up against the same team, did. That's pretty significant if you ask me.

While the statline in this washington game is discouraging, I don't think it occurred because these coaches didn't know how to stop the run. I'm not sure I could say that with the previous coaching staff.

That wouldn't fit his agenda. He is hell bent on hating the Huskers now that bloblo is gone and recruiting convicts.

 

[WestOmahaFirstWorldProblems]

Blowouts happen to everyone.

I posted the entire box score to illustrate that Washington was leading 62-6 in Corvallis early in the fourth quarter -- with 530 rushing yards and almost 700 total offense -- before they pulled off the dogs. Pun intended.

 

[EyeLuvDaHuskerz]

Pelini's run defense seemed much better with a potential NFL HOF caliber player anchoring the line. After Suh ... not so much.

 

[dockentwo]

I am taking the positives. We will be much better on D this year; especially if the younguns come through. Having D-tackles go " Dancing Bear " , with the o-line - started a track meet.

 

[timnsun]

Blowouts happen to everyone.

I posted the entire box score to illustrate that Washington was leading 62-6 in Corvallis early in the fourth quarter -- with 530 rushing yards and almost 700 total offense -- before they pulled off the dogs. Pun intended.

Thanks for clarifying. How does that factor in to two of Nebraska's poorer showings on defense (UCLA and Wisconsin) and our inability to stop the run, and yet Oregon State was able to shut down the very same running game in the same season?

Of course blowouts happen to everyone, but it seems like you picked this game to simply try to devalue what the OP posted. You didn't say a single word about the games he pointed out since they were common opponents to Nebraska... Just wondering why you went that route...

 

[WestOmahaFirstWorldProblems]

I picked this game because 69 points was the most Washington had scored against any opponent since 1944. 530 yards rushing against an opponent was the second most in UW's entire school history.

Seriously, after a blowout like that, I'm astonished that Oregon State allowed Mike Riley to return in 2014.

Does it really matter what happened in other games? We should only judge coaches based on their blowout losses. Mike Riley has had a lot of them.

 

[timnsun]

I picked this game because 69 points was the most Washington had scored against any opponent since 1944. 530 yards rushing against an opponent wa the second most in UW's entire schools history.

Seriously, after a blowout like that, I'm astonished that Oregon State allowed Mike Riley to return in 2014.

Does it really matter what happened in other games? We should only judge coaches based on their blowout losses. Mike Riley has had a lot of them.

Ok, then why single out Hank Hughes, when he never coached at OSU? Maybe that was a mistake on your part, but the coaching staff in Nebraska is not the exact same coaching staff that Oregon State had.

And if blowouts happen to everyone, why use a single game to determine a coach's ability to coach, as you are doing here? I can play that game too... I'm astonished Florida allowed Steve Spurrier to return in 1996 after we blew them out in the Fiesta Bowl.

I know it isn't a fair comparison, I know, but the point is, blowouts happen. And when they do, they don't get you fired, unless it is a pattern, such as what Pelini showed.

 

[inWV]

At present, I don't want to get in the middle of the kerfuffle over Banker. However, the UCLA/Wisconsin comparisons of a couple of years ago is as close to apples to apples wrt to Banker/Riley vs. JP/Pelini as we can get (caveat: our Dline was gutted by injuries by the time of the B1G title game woodshedding that year).
I like Hank Hughes. Thirty six years in the business, 27 as a Dline coach (compare that depth of experience to JP and even Pelini). He had a quality run with UCONN and Cincy's D improved down the stretch last season. In 2000, Memphis led the nation in rushing D and he was their Dline coach.

http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=209838201

 

[huskerbaseball13]

I picked this game because 69 points was the most Washington had scored against any opponent since 1944. 530 yards rushing against an opponent was the second most in UW's entire school history.

Seriously, after a blowout like that, I'm astonished that Oregon State allowed Mike Riley to return in 2014.

Does it really matter what happened in other games? We should only judge coaches based on their blowout losses. Mike Riley has had a lot of them.

If that happens under Riley here...multiple times like it did under your Bo at NU...Riley won't last either.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

5.8 ypc against the defense last year. So there are highs and lows under Riley. Maybe it was OSU doing the hamstringing. Let's all hope that was the case.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Washington vs Oregon State (Nov 23, 2013 at Corvallis, Ore.)

Washington (7-4,4-4) vs. Oregon State (6-5,4-4)

Date: Nov 23, 2013 • Site: Corvallis, Ore. • Stadium: Reser Stadium • Attendance: 43779

Score by Quarters 1 2 3 4 Score
Washington 17 10 21 21 69
Oregon State 0 0 0 27 27

SCORING SUMMARY WASH -OSU
1st 12:29 WASH Sankey, Bishop 3 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
7 plays, 38 yards, TOP 2:31 7 - 0
10:56 WASH Sankey, Bishop 5 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
3 plays, 60 yards, TOP 0:34 14 - 0
06:36 WASH Coons, Travis 44 yd field goal
8 plays, 43 yards, TOP 2:38 17 - 0
2nd 10:36 WASH Coons, Travis 24 yd field goal
6 plays, 15 yards, TOP 2:20 20 - 0
06:36 WASH Smith, Kevin 28 yd pass from Miles, Cyler (Coons, Travis kick)
7 plays, 65 yards, TOP 2:14 27 - 0
3rd 08:36 WASH Sankey, Bishop 8 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
14 plays, 73 yards, TOP 4:55 34 - 0
03:55 WASH Cooper, Deontae 2 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
6 plays, 88 yards, TOP 2:51 41 - 0
02:01 WASH Thompson, Shaq 80 yd interception return (Coons, Travis kick)
48 - 0
4th 14:40 OSU Cooks, Brandin 29 yd pass from Mannion, Sean (Romaine, Trevor kick failed)
10 plays, 71 yards, TOP 2:14 48 - 6
13:58 WASH Cooper, Deontae 1 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
3 plays, 75 yards, TOP 0:42 55 - 6
12:56 WASH Washington, Dw. 32 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
2 plays, 37 yards, TOP 0:49 62 - 6
12:40 OSU Bolden, Victor 98 yd kickoff return (Romaine, Trevor kick)
62 - 13
05:33 OSU Brown, Chris 3 yd run (Romaine, Trevor kick)
9 plays, 74 yards, TOP 2:49 62 - 20
04:38 WASH Washington, Dw. 71 yd run (Coons, Travis kick)
2 plays, 75 yards, TOP 0:55 69 - 20
02:25 OSU Hatfield, Micah 33 yd pass from Vaz, Cody (Romaine, Trevor kick)
5 plays, 66 yards, TOP 2:07 69 - 27

Kickoff time: 7:36 pm • End of Game: 11:08 pm • Total elapsed time: 3:32
Referee: Jay Stricherz • Umpire: Matt Richards • Linesman: Dan Antonietti • Line judge: Randy Campbell • Back judge: Brad Robinson • Field judge: Steve Currie • Side judge: Clay Reynard •
Temperature: 35 deg. • Wind: 0 mph • Weather: clear, cold
Team Statistics
Team Statistics (Final)
The Automated ScoreBook
Washington vs Oregon State (Nov 23, 2013 at Corvallis, Ore.)

Team Totals WASH OSU
FIRST DOWNS 27 23
Rushing 18 5
Passing 8 16
Penalty 1 2
NET YARDS RUSHING 530 106
Rushing Attempts 58 22
Average Per Rush 9.1 4.8
Rushing Touchdowns 7 1
Yards Gained Rushing 533 118
Yards Lost Rushing 3 12
NET YARDS PASSING 162 308
Completions-Attempts-Int 15-24-0 26-49-3
Average Per Attempt 6.8 6.3
Average Per Completion 10.8 11.8
Passing Touchdowns 1 2
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS 692 414
Total offense plays 82 71
Average Gain Per Play 8.4 5.8
Fumbles: Number-Lost 0-0 1-1
Penalties: Number-Yards 4-43 2-10
PUNTS-YARDS 4-138 7-264
Average Yards Per Punt 34.5 37.7
Net Yards Per Punt 34.5 36.1
Inside 20 3 2
50+ Yards 1 0
Touchbacks 0 0
Fair catch 3 4
KICKOFFS-YARDS 12-713 5-318
Average Yards Per Kickoff 59.4 63.6
Net Yards Per Kickoff 34.0 34.4
Touchbacks 0 3
Punt returns: Number-Yards-TD 1-11-0 0-0-0
Average Per Return 11.0 0.0
Kickoff returns: Number-Yds-TD 2-71-0 12-305-1
Average Per Return 35.5 25.4
Interceptions: Number-Yds-TD 3-94-1 0-0-0
Fumble Returns: Number-Yds-TD 0-0-0 0-0-0
Miscellaneous Yards 0 0
Possession Time 33:07 26:53
1st Quarter 8:35 6:25
2nd Quarter 7:37 7:23
3rd Quarter 7:46 7:14
4th Quarter 9:09 5:51
Third-Down Conversions 10 of 17 5 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions 1 of 1 0 of 0
Red-Zone Scores-Chances 6-6 1-1
Touchdowns 5-6 1-1
Field goals 1-6 0-1
Sacks By: Number-Yards 3-12 0-0
PAT Kicks 9-9 3-4
Field Goals 2-2 0-0

Taking shots at Hank Hughes when he wasn't on the sideline? That's not the route I would have gone, but hey, if it's sound logic to you, you go ahead and enjoy yourself.

The point I'm trying convey is that with much less highly-regarded talent, the OSU coaching staff has done very well against teams we got blown out against with Bo stinking up the sideline.

At very least, now I have a guy on our sideline that it will be a pleasure rooting for...vs that primate we had coaching the last 7 years.

 

[Cornicator]

A lot of you are picking and choosing absolutes in this thread. Some of you are illustrating your agendas and not hiding them in any possible way... At least you're being consistent, (cough...cough.. Spinner... cough..cough)


But one thing a lot of people fail to understand about Riley and Oregon State is the development factor. They routinely had to recruit their 3rd or 4th options on the board. This created constant rebuilds. Most of their recruits needed 2 to 3 years to develop physically before they could even compete in the Pac 12. They also needed this time to learn the scheme and execute at high level. When they have experienced teams, they often were very competitive. Unfortunately, the hurdles in place precluded their ability to "re-load." Say what you want about Nebraska's recruiting, but they never really have to complete a full scrap re load.

This was especially problematic for Oregon State along their offensive line. Both Riley and Langsdorf have been on record stating they have never had a true 2-deep of scholarship offensive linemen with very little drop off from top to bottom like they've found here at Nebraska.

When Banker and Riley had experienced defenses, they played well. When they didn't.... they got shredded. That's pretty normal for many teams, but its magnified at a place like Oregon State where they really had to almost manufacture good football players.

People can "poo poo" all over the good history with the bad. They can also pick and choose shots at current Husker recruiting. But I can show about 20 examples of how Riley and staff have already been able to raise the level of recruiting they were accustomed to just because of the N on the side of the helmet.

- Dedrick Young's never chose Oregon State
- Tyrin Ferguson was all ready to go to Oregon State. By December, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Arizona were all over him. If Riley is still at Oregon State, Ferguson probably changes his mind and doesn't end up there. In fact, that stuff happened all the time.

- Mohammed Barry doesn't pick a school like Oregon State when he was almost completely sold on becoming a Miami Hurricane.
- Jalin Barnett loved Coach Cav, but he never chooses a school like Oregon State. National recruits always said no.

- Eric Lee and Avery Anderson - rarely sniff a look at schools like Oregon State
- Offensive tackles like Christian Gaylord with offers from Ohio State, Texas, and Mizzou don't give attention to programs like Oregon State

- Matt Snyder was committed the Riley and staff at Oregon State. Do you think he stays with them when Michigan and Harbaugh come calling? I don't. But I do think he stayed because of the relationship AND because Nebraska could offer as much tradition, support, and better facilities.



Here are some 2016 examples of players who Oregon State, under Riley always targeted, but rarely signed or received commits:

- Quayshon Alexander - He is in the same mold as Dedrick Young. Players of his caliber don't give Oregon State much credence.

- Marquel Dismuke - If a kid like Dismuke committed early, they almost always renege when a program like Nebraska or even an LSU offer them.

- Brokop and Raridon - Linemen of this caliber never committed to Oregon State 2 years early. At Oregon State, it was considered a major recruiting coup when kids like Brokop chose you on signing day.

Greg Simmons - This kid is the prime example of a kid Nebraska can always recruit. Nebraska can bring in 10 guys just like him every season. He helps build depth, and he helps on special teams before he ever becomes an everyday player. Kids like Simmons are major recruiting hauls at Oregon State.


Here is a list of current Husker players that were normally above the Oregon State recruit caliber:

- Adam Taylor
- Terrell Newby
- Knevel
- Reeves
- Thurston
- Wilbon
- Jamal Turner
- Westerkamp
- Maliek
- Vince
- McMullen
- Kevin Williams
- Banderas
- Mike Rose
- Chris Jones
- Trail Mosely
- Nate Gerry
- Jon Rose
- Newby the LB
- Sterup
- Farmer
- DJ Foster
- Hannon
- Dwayne Johnson
- Newell


None of those guys were major recruiting hauls where Nebraska had to outclass Bama or USC down to the wire. Some of them had offers from those programs, but it wasn't like Bo was just outshining those other programs. Nebraska reaped them because its Nebraska. Those same players will continue to come here under Riley. In fact, he is even in on some higher caliber recruits.

Conversely, and this is a big deal for Nebraska, Oregon State always recruited better QB's and higher ceiling receivers than the Huskers.



So what does this mean? Oregon State was pretty damn good at developing players and was able to maintain some success with experienced football teams. That is encouraging for Nebraska.

With better QB play and higher end talent than Oregon State throughout the roster, Nebraska should have some very good experienced football teams. Younger guys will receive better development and the most experienced teams should be able to compete at high level. The rebuilding teams should be in better shape to compete because their rebuilds will be less significant.

One other thing you can expect from Riley and staff is their evaluation skills. Over the years, they were forced to take a chance on a lot of lightly recruited players. For every 20 guys they had to snag away from San Jose State and Idaho, about 7 of them panned out. A handful of them even became NFL draft picks.

Riley won't need to take those kinds of chances at Nebraska, but you can bet when he does, there is a great chance they will know the template they're looking for when they take that chance.


Sorry for the book...

 

[SnohomishRed]

Thanks for clarifying. How does that factor in to two of Nebraska's poorer showings on defense (UCLA and Wisconsin) and our inability to stop the run, and yet Oregon State was able to shut down the very same running game in the same season?

Of course blowouts happen to everyone, but it seems like you picked this game to simply try to devalue what the OP posted. You didn't say a single word about the games he pointed out since they were common opponents to Nebraska... Just wondering why you went that route...

I am hopeful that we are better against the run with Banker but this argument that OSU could stop Wisc in 2012 when we could not is really a myth. Wisc that year had a new OC who was fired after the third game. Wisc early in the season was not running on anyone, yes OSU held down their running game but so did NU early that year. By the end of the NU was trounced by Wi in the run and OSU was giving up 430 yrds to Oregon on the ground.

I think Banker will have better depth here and I believe our Dline talent is better than OSU - he ran into trouble when the Dline was hurt or inexperienced - So I am cautiously hopeful but 2012 is not a good example of the differences between him and Bo

 

[timnsun]

I am hopeful that we are better against the run with Banker but this argument that OSU could stop Wisc in 2012 when we could not is really a myth. Wisc that year had a new OC who was fired after the third game. Wisc early in the season was not running on anyone, yes OSU held down their running game but so did NU early that year. By the end of the NU was trounced by Wi in the run and OSU was giving up 430 yrds to Oregon on the ground.

I think Banker will have better depth here and I believe our Dline talent is better than OSU - he ran into trouble when the Dline was hurt or inexperienced - So I am cautiously hopeful but 2012 is not a good example of the differences between him and Bo

Certainly the change in the coaching staff would have made a difference. Good point. The UCLA game still speaks volumes to the different coaching philosophies represented by Nebraska and Oregon State.

Someone earlier in this thread or in another thread called our D line dancing bears. I just want a defense that swarms to the ball, which this coaching staff seems to want as well.

 

[sparky62]

A lot of you are picking and choosing absolutes in this thread. Some of you are illustrating your agendas and not hiding them in any possible way... At least you're being consistent, (cough...cough.. Spinner... cough..cough)


But one thing a lot of people fail to understand about Riley and Oregon State is the development factor. They routinely had to recruit their 3rd or 4th options on the board. This created constant rebuilds. Most of their recruits needed 2 to 3 years to develop physically before they could even compete in the Pac 12. They also needed this time to learn the scheme and execute at high level. When they have experienced teams, they often were very competitive. Unfortunately, the hurdles in place precluded their ability to "re-load." Say what you want about Nebraska's recruiting, but they never really have to complete a full scrap re load.

This was especially problematic for Oregon State along their offensive line. Both Riley and Langsdorf have been on record stating they have never had a true 2-deep of scholarship offensive linemen with very little drop off from top to bottom like they've found here at Nebraska.

When Banker and Riley had experienced defenses, they played well. When they didn't.... they got shredded. That's pretty normal for many teams, but its magnified at a place like Oregon State where they really had to almost manufacture good football players.

People can "poo poo" all over the good history with the bad. They can also pick and choose shots at current Husker recruiting. But I can show about 20 examples of how Riley and staff have already been able to raise the level of recruiting they were accustomed to just because of the N on the side of the helmet.

- Dedrick Young's never chose Oregon State
- Tyrin Ferguson was all ready to go to Oregon State. By December, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Arizona were all over him. If Riley is still at Oregon State, Ferguson probably changes his mind and doesn't end up there. In fact, that stuff happened all the time.

- Mohammed Barry doesn't pick a school like Oregon State when he was almost completely sold on becoming a Miami Hurricane.
- Jalin Barnett loved Coach Cav, but he never chooses a school like Oregon State. National recruits always said no.

- Eric Lee and Avery Anderson - rarely sniff a look at schools like Oregon State
- Offensive tackles like Christian Gaylord with offers from Ohio State, Texas, and Mizzou don't give attention to programs like Oregon State

- Matt Snyder was committed the Riley and staff at Oregon State. Do you think he stays with them when Michigan and Harbaugh come calling? I don't. But I do think he stayed because of the relationship AND because Nebraska could offer as much tradition, support, and better facilities.



Here are some 2016 examples of players who Oregon State, under Riley always targeted, but rarely signed or received commits:

- Quayshon Alexander - He is in the same mold as Dedrick Young. Players of his caliber don't give Oregon State much credence.

- Marquel Dismuke - If a kid like Dismuke committed early, they almost always renege when a program like Nebraska or even an LSU offer them.

- Brokop and Raridon - Linemen of this caliber never committed to Oregon State 2 years early. At Oregon State, it was considered a major recruiting coup when kids like Brokop chose you on signing day.

Greg Simmons - This kid is the prime example of a kid Nebraska can always recruit. Nebraska can bring in 10 guys just like him every season. He helps build depth, and he helps on special teams before he ever becomes an everyday player. Kids like Simmons are major recruiting hauls at Oregon State.


Here is a list of current Husker players that were normally above the Oregon State recruit caliber:

- Adam Taylor
- Terrell Newby
- Knevel
- Reeves
- Thurston
- Wilbon
- Jamal Turner
- Westerkamp
- Maliek
- Vince
- McMullen
- Kevin Williams
- Banderas
- Mike Rose
- Chris Jones
- Trail Mosely
- Nate Gerry
- Jon Rose
- Newby the LB
- Sterup
- Farmer
- DJ Foster
- Hannon
- Dwayne Johnson
- Newell


None of those guys were major recruiting hauls where Nebraska had to outclass Bama or USC down to the wire. Some of them had offers from those programs, but it wasn't like Bo was just outshining those other programs. Nebraska reaped them because its Nebraska. Those same players will continue to come here under Riley. In fact, he is even in on some higher caliber recruits.

Conversely, and this is a big deal for Nebraska, Oregon State always recruited better QB's and higher ceiling receivers than the Huskers.



So what does this mean? Oregon State was pretty damn good at developing players and was able to maintain some success with experienced football teams. That is encouraging for Nebraska.

With better QB play and higher end talent than Oregon State throughout the roster, Nebraska should have some very good experienced football teams. Younger guys will receive better development and the most experienced teams should be able to compete at high level. The rebuilding teams should be in better shape to compete because their rebuilds will be less significant.

One other thing you can expect from Riley and staff is their evaluation skills. Over the years, they were forced to take a chance on a lot of lightly recruited players. For every 20 guys they had to snag away from San Jose State and Idaho, about 7 of them panned out. A handful of them even became NFL draft picks.

Riley won't need to take those kinds of chances at Nebraska, but you can bet when he does, there is a great chance they will know the template they're looking for when they take that chance.


Sorry for the book...

My nomination for POTY. Thanks Corn. Appreciate all the time you put into this.

 

[kaz36]

Threads like this definitely separate the glass half full posters from the glass half empty ones.

 

[sparky62]

Threads like this definitely separate the glass half full posters from the glass half empty ones.

As long as it's a glass 1/2 full of Old Mil Light we're cooking with gas baby.

 

[kaz36]

As long as it's a glass 1/2 full of Old Mil Light we're cooking with gas baby.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

A lot of you are picking and choosing absolutes in this thread. Some of you are illustrating your agendas and not hiding them in any possible way... At least you're being consistent, (cough...cough.. Spinner... cough..cough)


But one thing a lot of people fail to understand about Riley and Oregon State is the development factor. They routinely had to recruit their 3rd or 4th options on the board. This created constant rebuilds. Most of their recruits needed 2 to 3 years to develop physically before they could even compete in the Pac 12. They also needed this time to learn the scheme and execute at high level. When they have experienced teams, they often were very competitive. Unfortunately, the hurdles in place precluded their ability to "re-load." Say what you want about Nebraska's recruiting, but they never really have to complete a full scrap re load.

This was especially problematic for Oregon State along their offensive line. Both Riley and Langsdorf have been on record stating they have never had a true 2-deep of scholarship offensive linemen with very little drop off from top to bottom like they've found here at Nebraska.

When Banker and Riley had experienced defenses, they played well. When they didn't.... they got shredded. That's pretty normal for many teams, but its magnified at a place like Oregon State where they really had to almost manufacture good football players.

People can "poo poo" all over the good history with the bad. They can also pick and choose shots at current Husker recruiting. But I can show about 20 examples of how Riley and staff have already been able to raise the level of recruiting they were accustomed to just because of the N on the side of the helmet.

- Dedrick Young's never chose Oregon State
- Tyrin Ferguson was all ready to go to Oregon State. By December, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Arizona were all over him. If Riley is still at Oregon State, Ferguson probably changes his mind and doesn't end up there. In fact, that stuff happened all the time.

- Mohammed Barry doesn't pick a school like Oregon State when he was almost completely sold on becoming a Miami Hurricane.
- Jalin Barnett loved Coach Cav, but he never chooses a school like Oregon State. National recruits always said no.

- Eric Lee and Avery Anderson - rarely sniff a look at schools like Oregon State
- Offensive tackles like Christian Gaylord with offers from Ohio State, Texas, and Mizzou don't give attention to programs like Oregon State

- Matt Snyder was committed the Riley and staff at Oregon State. Do you think he stays with them when Michigan and Harbaugh come calling? I don't. But I do think he stayed because of the relationship AND because Nebraska could offer as much tradition, support, and better facilities.



Here are some 2016 examples of players who Oregon State, under Riley always targeted, but rarely signed or received commits:

- Quayshon Alexander - He is in the same mold as Dedrick Young. Players of his caliber don't give Oregon State much credence.

- Marquel Dismuke - If a kid like Dismuke committed early, they almost always renege when a program like Nebraska or even an LSU offer them.

- Brokop and Raridon - Linemen of this caliber never committed to Oregon State 2 years early. At Oregon State, it was considered a major recruiting coup when kids like Brokop chose you on signing day.

Greg Simmons - This kid is the prime example of a kid Nebraska can always recruit. Nebraska can bring in 10 guys just like him every season. He helps build depth, and he helps on special teams before he ever becomes an everyday player. Kids like Simmons are major recruiting hauls at Oregon State.


Here is a list of current Husker players that were normally above the Oregon State recruit caliber:

- Adam Taylor
- Terrell Newby
- Knevel
- Reeves
- Thurston
- Wilbon
- Jamal Turner
- Westerkamp
- Maliek
- Vince
- McMullen
- Kevin Williams
- Banderas
- Mike Rose
- Chris Jones
- Trail Mosely
- Nate Gerry
- Jon Rose
- Newby the LB
- Sterup
- Farmer
- DJ Foster
- Hannon
- Dwayne Johnson
- Newell


None of those guys were major recruiting hauls where Nebraska had to outclass Bama or USC down to the wire. Some of them had offers from those programs, but it wasn't like Bo was just outshining those other programs. Nebraska reaped them because its Nebraska. Those same players will continue to come here under Riley. In fact, he is even in on some higher caliber recruits.

Conversely, and this is a big deal for Nebraska, Oregon State always recruited better QB's and higher ceiling receivers than the Huskers.



So what does this mean? Oregon State was pretty damn good at developing players and was able to maintain some success with experienced football teams. That is encouraging for Nebraska.

With better QB play and higher end talent than Oregon State throughout the roster, Nebraska should have some very good experienced football teams. Younger guys will receive better development and the most experienced teams should be able to compete at high level. The rebuilding teams should be in better shape to compete because their rebuilds will be less significant.

One other thing you can expect from Riley and staff is their evaluation skills. Over the years, they were forced to take a chance on a lot of lightly recruited players. For every 20 guys they had to snag away from San Jose State and Idaho, about 7 of them panned out. A handful of them even became NFL draft picks.

Riley won't need to take those kinds of chances at Nebraska, but you can bet when he does, there is a great chance they will know the template they're looking for when they take that chance.


Sorry for the book...

I can't agree with this more! This is exactly why I feel that Riley and Company will have NU not only IN every game this year but probably winning all of them.

We know this staff is great at developing talent.
We know that NU currently has better or equal talent that probably every team they play this season.

This is going to be a very very good season.

 

[sparky62]

Don't even start with me or I'll post OTHER pics of you.

 

[rrthusker]

Don't even start with me or I'll post OTHER pics of you.

 

[kaz36]

Geezus Sparky. Where did you get that pic of rrt? He's going to be pissed.

 

[rrthusker]

Me? C'mon man.

 

[rrthusker]

Oh and you're banned.

 

[kaz36]

Oh and you're banned.

Come on man. At least give me a chance to pull a Sparky and ban myself.

 

[rrthusker]

 

[sparky62]

Come on man. At least give me a chance to pull a Sparky and ban myself.

You could never FUBAR that bad.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Threads like this definitely separate the glass half full posters from the glass half empty ones.

To be honest half is exactly where we are at. Half optimistic and half nagging doubts. Certainly as the previous poster pointed out NU has some advantages in recruiting over OSU. However OSU was not devoid of talent. The plus is that these guys work hard at it and are organized with a plan , the previous staff had imo a recruiting plan that was lacking. So I think the current staff will do better but it is really a ways from knowing that.

 

[Lars72]

A lot of you are picking and choosing absolutes in this thread. Some of you are illustrating your agendas and not hiding them in any possible way... At least you're being consistent, (cough...cough.. Spinner... cough..cough)


But one thing a lot of people fail to understand about Riley and Oregon State is the development factor. They routinely had to recruit their 3rd or 4th options on the board. This created constant rebuilds. Most of their recruits needed 2 to 3 years to develop physically before they could even compete in the Pac 12. They also needed this time to learn the scheme and execute at high level. When they have experienced teams, they often were very competitive. Unfortunately, the hurdles in place precluded their ability to "re-load." Say what you want about Nebraska's recruiting, but they never really have to complete a full scrap re load.

This was especially problematic for Oregon State along their offensive line. Both Riley and Langsdorf have been on record stating they have never had a true 2-deep of scholarship offensive linemen with very little drop off from top to bottom like they've found here at Nebraska.

When Banker and Riley had experienced defenses, they played well. When they didn't.... they got shredded. That's pretty normal for many teams, but its magnified at a place like Oregon State where they really had to almost manufacture good football players.

People can "poo poo" all over the good history with the bad. They can also pick and choose shots at current Husker recruiting. But I can show about 20 examples of how Riley and staff have already been able to raise the level of recruiting they were accustomed to just because of the N on the side of the helmet.

- Dedrick Young's never chose Oregon State
- Tyrin Ferguson was all ready to go to Oregon State. By December, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Arizona were all over him. If Riley is still at Oregon State, Ferguson probably changes his mind and doesn't end up there. In fact, that stuff happened all the time.

- Mohammed Barry doesn't pick a school like Oregon State when he was almost completely sold on becoming a Miami Hurricane.
- Jalin Barnett loved Coach Cav, but he never chooses a school like Oregon State. National recruits always said no.

- Eric Lee and Avery Anderson - rarely sniff a look at schools like Oregon State
- Offensive tackles like Christian Gaylord with offers from Ohio State, Texas, and Mizzou don't give attention to programs like Oregon State

- Matt Snyder was committed the Riley and staff at Oregon State. Do you think he stays with them when Michigan and Harbaugh come calling? I don't. But I do think he stayed because of the relationship AND because Nebraska could offer as much tradition, support, and better facilities.



Here are some 2016 examples of players who Oregon State, under Riley always targeted, but rarely signed or received commits:

- Quayshon Alexander - He is in the same mold as Dedrick Young. Players of his caliber don't give Oregon State much credence.

- Marquel Dismuke - If a kid like Dismuke committed early, they almost always renege when a program like Nebraska or even an LSU offer them.

- Brokop and Raridon - Linemen of this caliber never committed to Oregon State 2 years early. At Oregon State, it was considered a major recruiting coup when kids like Brokop chose you on signing day.

Greg Simmons - This kid is the prime example of a kid Nebraska can always recruit. Nebraska can bring in 10 guys just like him every season. He helps build depth, and he helps on special teams before he ever becomes an everyday player. Kids like Simmons are major recruiting hauls at Oregon State.


Here is a list of current Husker players that were normally above the Oregon State recruit caliber:

- Adam Taylor
- Terrell Newby
- Knevel
- Reeves
- Thurston
- Wilbon
- Jamal Turner
- Westerkamp
- Maliek
- Vince
- McMullen
- Kevin Williams
- Banderas
- Mike Rose
- Chris Jones
- Trail Mosely
- Nate Gerry
- Jon Rose
- Newby the LB
- Sterup
- Farmer
- DJ Foster
- Hannon
- Dwayne Johnson
- Newell


None of those guys were major recruiting hauls where Nebraska had to outclass Bama or USC down to the wire. Some of them had offers from those programs, but it wasn't like Bo was just outshining those other programs. Nebraska reaped them because its Nebraska. Those same players will continue to come here under Riley. In fact, he is even in on some higher caliber recruits.

Conversely, and this is a big deal for Nebraska, Oregon State always recruited better QB's and higher ceiling receivers than the Huskers.



So what does this mean? Oregon State was pretty damn good at developing players and was able to maintain some success with experienced football teams. That is encouraging for Nebraska.

With better QB play and higher end talent than Oregon State throughout the roster, Nebraska should have some very good experienced football teams. Younger guys will receive better development and the most experienced teams should be able to compete at high level. The rebuilding teams should be in better shape to compete because their rebuilds will be less significant.

One other thing you can expect from Riley and staff is their evaluation skills. Over the years, they were forced to take a chance on a lot of lightly recruited players. For every 20 guys they had to snag away from San Jose State and Idaho, about 7 of them panned out. A handful of them even became NFL draft picks.

Riley won't need to take those kinds of chances at Nebraska, but you can bet when he does, there is a great chance they will know the template they're looking for when they take that chance.


Sorry for the book...

Damn Corn...I love reading your posts. Well done!

 

[Goorng]

Blowouts happen to everyone.

I posted the entire box score to illustrate that Washington was leading 62-6 in Corvallis early in the fourth quarter -- with 530 rushing yards and almost 700 total offense -- before they pulled off the dogs. Pun intended.

Here is the thing, Banker is very good at stopping a pro set offense, not so much a spread. There is also a problem with your staff on letting things go when the opponent hits their team in the mouth, lets just say they are too nice some times. Sarkasian is a jerk and does any thing to win, including letting the air out of footballs, having his corners put a helmet under the chin of a defense less receiver, having his center end the season of D Tackles by unfair leg blocks, Washington was coached buy Sarkasian and the Beavers were timid because of previous encounters and extremely flat, this is one of the games that the OSU fans became very frustrated with MR but I repeat there is no better a man in the coaching ranks than MR. And there is a great deal of curiosity about how MR will do in Nebraska and most of us wish him and your team well, even though it was time for change at OSU.