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Um...WRONG to the 10th power. Fascism has almost always been associated with far right ideologies. The Nazis were the furthest thing from Socialists there were. They were a totalitarian regime, which is exactly what fascism is.

The Nazis utilized the Socialist moniker to lure those from the other side of the spectrum, the Socialists, because there was a Socialist German party in the early 1900s that was more along the lines of true Socialists. So in essence it was a ruse to get more support for the Nazi regime.
Better read up on what facism actually is in its base sense. Mussolini and Peron would be a good place to start. Labor unions? Fascist. Universal Healthcare? Fascism. Centralized economy? Fascism.
 
Um...WRONG to the 10th power. Fascism has almost always been associated with far right ideologies. The Nazis were the furthest thing from Socialists there were. They were a totalitarian regime, which is exactly what fascism is.

The Nazis utilized the Socialist moniker to lure those from the other side of the spectrum, the Socialists, because there was a Socialist German party in the early 1900s that was more along the lines of true Socialists. So in essence it was a ruse to get more support for the Nazi regime.
This times 100... Wrong end of the spectrum to be socialist...
 
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It is like those that believe the US is a democracy. We are a capitalist representative government that is a cousin of democracy...
 
32 vaccines that work. The most complex medical prophylactic of any kind and there are 32 of them? At the same time, not a single effective treatment of any sort.

There are 32 that are in various stages of human clinical trials. 160+ total being researched. 4 are in Stage 3 clinical trials, with Moderna, Pfizer, Astra Seneca, and the Chinese company leading the way. Of course Vlad approved Russia's after Phase 2 trials. That one I wouldn't put a goldfish on.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html
 
It is like those that believe the US is a democracy. We are a capitalist representative government that is a cousin of democracy...

Exactly. All of the people that lose their minds about Socialism aren't aware that we are a hybrid government of Capitalism and Socialism.
 
Better read up on what facism actually is in its base sense. Mussolini and Peron would be a good place to start. Labor unions? Fascist. Universal Healthcare? Fascism. Centralized economy? Fascism.

You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. Look at the definition of Socialism for starters. Then you'll understand that is diametrically opposed to Fascism.
 
if by "healthy" they meant asymptomatic, yeah, the case count will go down.

Does anyone have metrics on the hospitalizations by age group? That may be a more telling statistic.

But, there is still the fact that a kid could be a carrier and infect someone who is vulnerable to more serious complications from it.

Here is deaths... I don't think I've seen hospitalization. I'd bet the percentages are the same.

 
There are 32 that are in various stages of human clinical trials. 160+ total being researched. 4 are in Stage 3 clinical trials, with Moderna, Pfizer, Astra Seneca, and the Chinese company leading the way. Of course Vlad approved Russia's after Phase 2 trials. That one I wouldn't put a goldfish on.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html
They'll all likely work including Russia's. This isn't some new unproven technology. I believe IF we didn't have 10 million attorneys salivating over the chance to file a class action lawsuit we should have been doing the same damned thing as Russia with our healthcare workers and nursing home patients for starters. Then move on to law enforcement and teachers. Take care of vaccinating those groups and you are well on your way back to normalcy. IF this virus is as bad as the CDC says, our response should have been as quick as Russia's.
 
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They'll all likely work including Russia's. This isn't some new unproven technology. I believe IF we didn't have 10 million attorneys salivating over the chance to file a class action lawsuit we should have been doing the same damned thing as Russia with our healthcare workers and nursing home patients for starters. Then move on to law enforcement and teachers. Take care of vaccinating those groups and you are well on your way back to normalcy. IF this virus is as bad as the CDC says, our response should have been as quick as Russia's.

While I don't disagree with your thoughts here, would we get more buy in from the public if we approved something after Phase 2 or Phase 3 clinical trials?

Our FDA will always err on the conservative side. And maybe the public will be much more likely to accept the virus if they don't perceive them as taking shortcuts.

I think in terms of research and methodology, we are still as good as any country in the world, if not the best. We are just more cautious in bringing new drugs to market.
 
While I don't disagree with your thoughts here, would we get more buy in from the public if we approved something after Phase 2 or Phase 3 clinical trials?

Our FDA will always err on the conservative side. And maybe the public will be much more likely to accept the virus if they don't perceive them as taking shortcuts.

I think in terms of research and methodology, we are still as good as any country in the world, if not the best. We are just more cautious in bringing new drugs to market.
I know you hate Trump, but IF he hadn't had his foot on the CDC's throat on this deal we wouldn't be at stage 3 now. Companies would be still doing minuscule trials trying to prove safety, efficacy and optimum dose on small groups to career bureaucrats.
 
Um...WRONG to the 10th power. Fascism has almost always been associated with far right ideologies. The Nazis were the furthest thing from Socialists there were. They were a totalitarian regime, which is exactly what fascism is.

The Nazis utilized the Socialist moniker to lure those from the other side of the spectrum, the Socialists, because there was a Socialist German party in the early 1900s that was more along the lines of true Socialists. So in essence it was a ruse to get more support for the Nazi regime.

I smell a Biden voter
 
You couldn't be any more wrong if you tried. Look at the definition of Socialism for starters. Then you'll understand that is diametrically opposed to Fascism.
By all means, please define fascism and give examples of it in practice.
 
I know you hate Trump, but IF he hadn't had his foot on the CDC's throat on this deal we wouldn't be at stage 3 now. Companies would be still doing minuscule trials trying to prove safety, efficacy and optimum dose on small groups to career bureaucrats.

We both know that isn't true. Pharma companies started working on vaccines well before our 'government' got into the race. I'm not going to go into politics too deeply (as per board rules), but if this virus would have been taken seriously from the outset, we would have been past it by now. Or at least well beyond so many new cases.

Let's remember it took 7+ weeks for a national emergency to be declared last spring. It took 14 days for the last regime to declare a national health emergency with H1N1, 6 weeks before it was declared a global pandemic.

You know anything like a global health crisis is going to chum the waters for pharma companies. They are going to come running, and with 160+ vaccines in the works, and 32 in human trials, we know how much $$$ is at stake.

Anyway, when something is repeatedly downplayed by leadership, it isn't going to receive the attention that it needs.
 
Not any surprise to me. You're not going to stop college age kids from wild partying and thus spreading the virus. If anything the past lockdowns have increased the level of pent up frustration they want to release with those parties.
 
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Not any surprise to me. You're not going to stop college age kids from wild partying and thus spreading the virus. If anything the past lockdowns have increased the level of pent up frustration they want to release with those parties.

I do believe you've hit the nail on the head. Best thing they can do is go wild right away and get it over with. Herd immunity at the start!
 
By all means, please define fascism and give examples of it in practice.

Just read about Nazi Germany, and what led to it, including late 1800s and into WWI and the aftermath. Very interesting reading.
 
Just read about Nazi Germany, and what led to it, including late 1800s and into WWI and the aftermath. Very interesting reading.
Not fascism. Its convenient to associate nazis with fascism but thats not what it actually was. America between 1930 and 1980 was probably the closest thing to fascism in practice that you'll find outside of Argentina and Italy.
 
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Like I said, I think Trump is an idiot, but the guy has some mental capacity. Biden is currently Brick Tamland from Anchorman.
I listened to Trump describe an absentee ballot as beautiful the other day. If I described my car insurance statement as beautiful my wife would probably have me committed. It's pretty much the same thing. The guy has less mental capacity than my 6 year olds.
 
No one should put faith in these Pre-election polls. Most Trump supporters are hush hush in fear of being called a racist, fascist, or whatever derogatory name the liberal media wants to label him.
This might be the dumbest trump spin I've ever heard. Trump supporters being quiet? Where exactly do you live because I see obnoxious Trump flags, shirts, hats.... dozens of times a day. It's funny, when I voted for George W I never flew giant flags or saw people wearing hats hating on liberals. I suppose the difference is that W isn't a piece of shit who encourages hatred and divisiveness.
 
Not fascism. Its convenient to associate nazis with fascism but thats not what it actually was. America between 1930 and 1980 was probably the closest thing to fascism in practice that you'll find outside of Argentina and Italy.

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I'm taking my oldest to Mizzou today. He has 5 classes, and 4 are online. The only live class is a lab. 15 grand for room and board to take one class.

Ouch. If they’re taking a lab they’re probably too far along to cancel and go to a CC for a semester
 
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This might be the dumbest trump spin I've ever heard. Trump supporters being quiet? Where exactly do you live because I see obnoxious Trump flags, shirts, hats.... dozens of times a day. It's funny, when I voted for George W I never flew giant flags or saw people wearing hats hating on liberals. I suppose the difference is that W isn't a piece of shit who encourages hatred and divisiveness.

Not really dumb. Not sure where you reside, but in the lovely blue city of Houston, wearing a MAGA hat or putting a Trump sign in your yard is an invitation to have eggs thrown at the house or your tires punctured.

Secondly, Al Gore was not a radical left wing candidate. Other than him claiming to invent the internet and his left of center stance on the environment, he was a pretty moderate candidate. He wasn't looking to take away basic freedoms.

As far as encouraging hatred and divisiveness, why haven't we heard Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schiff, Shumer, or anyone on the left condemn, or even acknowledge the violence in Portland, Seattle, NYC, Chicago, Philly? You know the people that gang up on and beat and kill innocent people just driving down the road, or shoot innocent children or those looting and destroying the black owned businesses, simply because those poor souls don't believe the way they are supposed to?
 
I listened to Trump describe an absentee ballot as beautiful the other day. If I described my car insurance statement as beautiful my wife would probably have me committed. It's pretty much the same thing. The guy has less mental capacity than my 6 year olds.

It is a beautiful thing. It is controlled, it is requested, and it is validated. Why is that so hard to understand. Most of the states barely keep up with their voter registration lists. Why would the left want to tie voter harvesting to a bill that was designed to aid in Covid unemployment relief? Why would you want voter harvesting at all? Give me a break.
 
Just read about Nazi Germany, and what led to it, including late 1800s and into WWI and the aftermath. Very interesting reading.

While Fascism may be defined as a right wing ideology, it is at it's core as much anti-conservatism as it is anti-liberalism. I don't see anything in Trump's moderate style of populism that even borders on radical fascism, especially when you look at the radical and continually failed, and now Biden adopted, views of Sanders, AOC and Harris.
 
This might be the dumbest trump spin I've ever heard. Trump supporters being quiet? Where exactly do you live because I see obnoxious Trump flags, shirts, hats.... dozens of times a day. It's funny, when I voted for George W I never flew giant flags or saw people wearing hats hating on liberals. I suppose the difference is that W isn't a piece of shit who encourages hatred and divisiveness.

Jemele Hill tweeted “if you vote for Trump you are a racist” and 250k loved the tweet. That’s called the new McCarthyism and kind of makes it hard for some to be open about their support of Trump. I know quiet a few of those people, whose wives call the Don the devil and hubby agrees. but get a few drinks in hubby and he’s bragging about his portfolio and how he loves Trumps “give zero F’s” attitude and how CNN is fake news. Ain’t no one gots to know who you really voted for. And sure there are very loud Trump fans but there’s more silent ones too

want a reference- the 2016 election.

it’s called Biden on the street but Trump on the voting sheet.
 
It is a beautiful thing. It is controlled, it is requested, and it is validated. Why is that so hard to understand. Most of the states barely keep up with their voter registration lists. Why would the left want to tie voter harvesting to a bill that was designed to aid in Covid unemployment relief? Why would you want voter harvesting at all? Give me a break.

1.1 million stimulus checks were sent to dead people.

Surely a nationwide mail-in ballot program for the POTUS election will have no problems at all in as divisive a country as we have right now.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shahar...t-to-dead-people-watchdog-finds/#b80867b793a3
 
Not really dumb. Not sure where you reside, but in the lovely blue city of Houston, wearing a MAGA hat or putting a Trump sign in your yard is an invitation to have eggs thrown at the house or your tires punctured.

Secondly, Al Gore was not a radical left wing candidate. Other than him claiming to invent the internet and his left of center stance on the environment, he was a pretty moderate candidate. He wasn't looking to take away basic freedoms.

As far as encouraging hatred and divisiveness, why haven't we heard Biden, Harris, Pelosi, Schiff, Shumer, or anyone on the left condemn, or even acknowledge the violence in Portland, Seattle, NYC, Chicago, Philly? You know the people that gang up on and beat and kill innocent people just driving down the road, or shoot innocent children or those looting and destroying the black owned businesses, simply because those poor souls don't believe the way they are supposed to?
I live in what's referred to around here as liberal Minnesota. Biden will probably get 30 to 40% of the vote in my district but I've yet to see anti-Trump propaganda put up or worn. Putting a trump 2020 sign in your yard is one thing. Flying a giant Trump 2020 flag in your truck that says "make liberals cry again" is another. I see shit like that all the time.

I must have missed it. What basic freedom is Biden going to take away?

Couldn't tell you why Biden doesnt say anything about Portland but I'm not sure I've heard of Joe base his entire campaign around hating other people. That's what I find so confusing about the Republican party. They sold their soul for a guy who doesnt really believe in anything but protecting his crooked wealth and grabbing pu***. He campaigns on what the other people do wrong, not on his ability. Every year that goes by the Republicand just push more people like me away. People who used to vote Republican before the party decided they would only cater to the super rich and uneducated, rural, white people. Trying to dissolve social security is a prime example of that. You have to be pretty damn rich to want to get rid of social security.
 
I live in what's referred to around here as liberal Minnesota. Biden will probably get 30 to 40% of the vote in my district but I've yet to see anti-Trump propaganda put up or worn. Putting a trump 2020 sign in your yard is one thing. Flying a giant Trump 2020 flag in your truck that says "make liberals cry again" is another. I see shit like that all the time.

I must have missed it. What basic freedom is Biden going to take away?

Couldn't tell you why Biden doesnt say anything about Portland but I'm not sure I've heard of Joe base his entire campaign around hating other people. That's what I find so confusing about the Republican party. They sold their soul for a guy who doesnt really believe in anything but protecting his crooked wealth and grabbing pu***. He campaigns on what the other people do wrong, not on his ability. Every year that goes by the Republicand just push more people like me away. People who used to vote Republican before the party decided they would only cater to the super rich and uneducated, rural, white people. Trying to dissolve social security is a prime example of that. You have to be pretty damn rich to want to get rid of social security.

Not gonna lie.

I'm pretty sure skull N crossbones dislikes Notre Dame more than I do.
 
I live in what's referred to around here as liberal Minnesota. Biden will probably get 30 to 40% of the vote in my district but I've yet to see anti-Trump propaganda put up or worn. Putting a trump 2020 sign in your yard is one thing. Flying a giant Trump 2020 flag in your truck that says "make liberals cry again" is another. I see shit like that all the time.

I must have missed it. What basic freedom is Biden going to take away?

Couldn't tell you why Biden doesnt say anything about Portland but I'm not sure I've heard of Joe base his entire campaign around hating other people. That's what I find so confusing about the Republican party. They sold their soul for a guy who doesnt really believe in anything but protecting his crooked wealth and grabbing pu***. He campaigns on what the other people do wrong, not on his ability. Every year that goes by the Republicand just push more people like me away. People who used to vote Republican before the party decided they would only cater to the super rich and uneducated, rural, white people. Trying to dissolve social security is a prime example of that. You have to be pretty damn rich to want to get rid of social security.

If you don't see the fundamental difference between words of "make liberals cry again' and how the simple and common tactic of putting campaign sign leads to your tires getting slashed or your property being vandalized, then I don't know what more to say.


Basic freedom of the second ammendment for one, the freedom to insure myself and my family how I see fit for another. The choice of being able to continue to use natural resources to operate my vehicle vs having to go green and operate a battery operated vehicle in 10 years.

I am not sure I see the hating other people angle. It is not republicans taking over cities, perputrating crimes on the general public. It is not republicans that are blocking the streets and destroying police stations and inflicting damage on police officers. It isn't republican leaders that are letting convicted criminals out of jail or not requiring a bond for 2 and 3 time felons who commit their 3rd or 4th felony. please

If you want or need the government to take care of you when you get old, that sounds like a you problem. That may sound crass but I am in my 50's and since I was in high school I have been told not to count on social security. So I didn't. Sacrifices were made at a young age for me to not be dependent on it being there. I'm sorry if you didn't plan for that. But if your whole reason for hating on Trump and the republican party is based on social security, then you sir haven't been paying attention for the last 40 years.

The right is and always has been based on less government and more personal responsibility. I make the choices that are best for me and my family. I sure as hell don't need to government involved in determining and operating health care. As a veteran, I am VERY familiar with how they run the VA. If you want an American example of why socialized medicine is a joke, look no further than the VA.

That is just off the top of my head. I am not going to tell you how to vote. Just vote, but don't come at me with weak ass arguments my 5th graders could poke holes in.
 
Progressivism is a mental disorder. It's one that allows you to claim that a man can be a woman and vice versa just because they think so. That thinks a four-year-old can decide that he's actually a girl and then encourages he start undergoing transition therapy. That shutting down the economy and destroying thousands of lives and businesses is okay if it saves "just one life," but at the same time being perfectly okay with millions of babies being murdered in their mothers' wombs up to the moment of birth (and even beyond) and declaring that an "essential service." One that allows it to make perfect sense to the person that people are denied the ability to go to church while buying alcohol, weed, etc. and congregating to gamble are also "essential services." Not to mention being completely cool with free speech protests being banned but George Floyd riots being celebrated.

It also allows one to believe in the accuracy of these polls.

To trust a progressive's interpretation of science or anything else when they buy into the anti-science narratives of the LGBTQ and transgenderism movements while also not seeing the blatantly illogical and arbitrary enforcement of lockdown mandates is like trusting a wolf to guard the hen house. It just doesn't make sense.
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We both know that isn't true. Pharma companies started working on vaccines well before our 'government' got into the race. I'm not going to go into politics too deeply (as per board rules), but if this virus would have been taken seriously from the outset, we would have been past it by now. Or at least well beyond so many new cases.

Let's remember it took 7+ weeks for a national emergency to be declared last spring. It took 14 days for the last regime to declare a national health emergency with H1N1, 6 weeks before it was declared a global pandemic.

You know anything like a global health crisis is going to chum the waters for pharma companies. They are going to come running, and with 160+ vaccines in the works, and 32 in human trials, we know how much $$$ is at stake.

Anyway, when something is repeatedly downplayed by leadership, it isn't going to receive the attention that it needs.
You don't think this has received enough "national attention"? :rolleyes:
 
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Um...WRONG to the 10th power. Fascism has almost always been associated with far right ideologies. The Nazis were the furthest thing from Socialists there were. They were a totalitarian regime, which is exactly what fascism is.

The Nazis utilized the Socialist moniker to lure those from the other side of the spectrum, the Socialists, because there was a Socialist German party in the early 1900s that was more along the lines of true Socialists. So in essence it was a ruse to get more support for the Nazi regime.
You’re an idiot. You couldnt be more wrong about Nazis.
No wonder you are the way you are. You’ve bought it all hook, line, and sinker.

Nazis and what they wanted aside, the correct political spectrum is about political POWER not about political party. Fascism falls near both socialism and communism as they all have a lot of power. Fascism is what happens when communism proves an illusion. They both have the same goals.
The difference between a communist and a fascist is that the fascist has come clean with the goal.

Conservatives in America today are no where near fascism. The closest thing you can think of is conservatives love country/nationalism....hitler was a nationalist....therefore conservatives=fascists! Considering every president before Obama was a nationalist to different degrees, that makes about as much sense as saying someone is hitler because they have a mustache and hitler did too. The only reason “fascism has always been associated with right” is because your liberal professor says so as its politically convenient.

Common Liberals in America today are not fascists, either, although in an ironic sense the closest thing we have to facist type behavior is antifa, a liberal organization.

Let me know if you’d like some reading suggestions on the Third Reich.
 
Ouch. If they’re taking a lab they’re probably too far along to cancel and go to a CC for a semester
I'm shelling out 70K and my kid can't even be on campus or use Harvard's library. Could be worse. I'm not sure yet how much they'll knock off of that for housing. From the school's side of things, it's going to be really tough to keep the doors open without kids in dorms and a lab is something you really have to be there for in most cases.
 
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