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Point to me where that's happened. 2 of the 3 are "lesser" type backs, according to the insider you quoted earlier. Can't have it both ways.

According to SSO, he thinks that Zig and Tre are studs, especially if we get an improving OL next year and in the years to come. Obviously one highly recruited, one not.

I would have liked to wrap up an Eno and move on, some months ago, but we appear hesitant to deal with him in particular, and we seem hopeful about Johnson since he's friends with Lewis.

Does the staff have an "emergency option" 3* lined up when it gets to be late January? I don't know, no one seems to. Again there's rumblings that its all or nothing this year and they are fine with that. But no one seems to know "for sure". The possibilities are interesting though.

Edit: Clouse in particular seems to believe there is a silent commit. Is it a RB?
 
NikkiSix - "They need to get a top guy. We already have an average group of RBs."

This is the same room of RB's who, for as recently as a handful of games ago, were "beasts" for various reasons.

That's one person, pretty sure you said people.

According to SSO, he thinks that Zig and Tre are studs, especially if we get an improving OL next year and in the years to come. Obviously one highly recruited, one not.

I would have liked to wrap up an Eno and move on, some months ago, but we appear hesitant to deal with him in particular, and we seem hopeful about Johnson since he's friends with Lewis.

Does the staff have an "emergency option" 3* lined up when it gets to be late January? I don't know, no one seems to. Again there's rumblings that its all or nothing this year and they are fine with that. But no one seems to know "for sure". The possibilities are interesting though.

Edit: Clouse in particular seems to believe there is a silent commit. Is it a RB?

Zig and Tre, both are 3* guys [lesser players according to SSO the "insider"] but we're only going to sign a difference maker [4* or better] if we sign anyone at all.

Excuse me, is at stuff not a difference maker?

Ameer Abdullah was a stud. And a difference maker. With a below average offensive line.

The person you're trusting with all this information is literally talking in circles. Contradiction after contradiction.
 
That's one person, pretty sure you said people.



Zig and Tre, both are 3* guys [lesser players according to SSO the "insider"] but we're only going to sign a difference maker [4* or better] if we sign anyone at all.

Excuse me, is at stuff not a difference maker?

Ameer Abdullah was a stud. And a difference maker. With a below average offensive line.

The person you're trusting with all this information is literally talking in circles. Contradiction after contradiction.

Well to be equally dickish about word play, you said "point to me where this has happened" which only requires one instance. Not 30. I have had this same conversation with a friend of mine, who is equally pendulum swinging about the quality of our backs, but obviously I can't quote that here. Its probably not an uncommon opinion.

He's not talking in circles, its really not that hard. For one, he typically talks rating in 247 composite, so Bryant would be a 4*, not a 3*. And two, even if one wants to debate what the difference is between a high 3* and a 4*, clearly Bryant has earned some separation between other 3* and 4* players with his SPARQ scores and overall measurables. He's not a diamond in the rough or undiscovered player.

There no's fast and hard here. There's only a few options.

1. Take a top rated player on a flip
2. Miss on a top rated player and send the scholly to another position
3. Miss on a top rated player and get an overlooked guy who you think fits the mold

In most years, #2 is NOT an option. Its been indicated that they might have that option this year, because they are solid with 1-3 in next years room, and seemingly could use it elsewhere. Gamble sure, but may not even be the route taken. And granted, we may even get lucky and be on path 3, and find the next Abdullah, I think the staff would like that very much and would be a nice prize for missing out on #1.

From what I have read of SSO, he'd prefer us to do 1, then 3, then 2.

http://247sports.com/player/tre-bryant-35422
 
A dime a dozen? We're talking RB's that can run it up the gut and get yards after contact, good pass blocking, and are good at catching the ball? I just don't see that as dime a dozen type comparison.

In the "shambles" thread, I listed RB's as one of the question mark areas. Can one of the players currently on the roster be great, sure they can, but they're not right now. It's been quite awhile since I looked at anything OrSU, but it seemed like this coaching staff wants "a guy" for every single down.

It's disappointing to see that we haven't gotten more interest from recruits. iirc, people were saying that we didn't need just any ol' DT's last year and that we were being "selective". And then three months later Hughes was fired.
 
A dime a dozen? We're talking RB's that can run it up the gut and get yards after contact, good pass blocking, and are good at catching the ball? I just don't see that as dime a dozen type comparison.

In the "shambles" thread, I listed RB's as one of the question mark areas. Can one of the players currently on the roster be great, sure they can, but they're not right now. It's been quite awhile since I looked at anything OrSU, but it seemed like this coaching staff wants "a guy" for every single down.

It's disappointing to see that we haven't gotten more interest from recruits. iirc, people were saying that we didn't need just any ol' DT's last year and that we were being "selective". And then three months later Hughes was fired.

This staff has been at NU for nearly 2 full seasons. A prime gripe of fans on occasion is that no back is seemingly used "enough" and allowed to get in a groove. Its a fair bit of RB by committee until injuries or the 4th quarter come along and Newby pounds out a drive or two.

I don't see how we can gripe about "too much rotation" and still believe that the staff necessarily wants a 30 carry a game guy as their prime consideration. We've not seen a whole ton of evidence they are looking to run a guy that many times at NU.

I think if you look at play selection and personnel alone, they seem to be enamored with the idea that they have 3,4,5,6 guys they can get the ball to on any play, so no one guy has to be All-World and necessarily do everything.

The only key requirement seems to be, if you are a RB, you *will* pass block. If you can't catch a screen, we'll throw it to one of the thirty WR's we have, or a TE.

This is one area where they seem to have embraced what NU offers them. We have more talent all around. It doesn't have to be Rodgers up the middle. Rodgers on the screen. Rodgers on the end-around. For 4 quarters.
 
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Next year in particular ought to be interesting. Lets say we run the ball 40 times a game, which might be generous at our pace of play and the overall run/pass ratio. We have three backs that can tote it. We have at least one WR we will want to see get serious touches on the Jet Sweep, if not 2 (DPE and Spielman). We have those same 5 guys who can make the screen game an extension of the running game. There may not be a whole lot of games where Zig gets 20 or 25 traditional carries unless we are running clock up a couple scores.

Edit: This was the basis of my "basketball on grass" comment from before.
 
So your belief is we want one in this class, but not just anyone. I can buy that however, that's a little different than 'we may not want a RB in this class". Maybe I'm interpreting your words wrong.

We have "3* backs on the roster" because Reggie Davis has yet to land anyone with a higher ranking. He got lucky with Charlton Warren having the scoop on Oz, a different staffer but similar with Bryant, but that's for another discussion.

As of today, we have 3 backs on scholarship for the 2017 season. Skipping a back in this class is a mistake. Of course, that's personal opinion.

To me, Reggie Davis seem to be a weak link on the recruiting trail.
Clearly, the answer is simple: we must have a silent commit RB. (I know that's a favorite subject on here).
 
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A dime a dozen? We're talking RB's that can run it up the gut and get yards after contact, good pass blocking, and are good at catching the ball? I just don't see that as dime a dozen type comparison.

In the "shambles" thread, I listed RB's as one of the question mark areas. Can one of the players currently on the roster be great, sure they can, but they're not right now. It's been quite awhile since I looked at anything OrSU, but it seemed like this coaching staff wants "a guy" for every single down.

It's disappointing to see that we haven't gotten more interest from recruits. iirc, people were saying that we didn't need just any ol' DT's last year and that we were being "selective". And then three months later Hughes was fired.

I think if you look at our RB room now, and heck, even the SEC's RB room, *most*of the RB's are not All-World in all facets of the game. That does not seem to be a sticking point with NU fans or football fans in general. What we generally want, is if Wilbon is a shifty guy, just get him on the edge, and forget that he can't do 5 other things. Just use the other backs accordingly.

The dime a dozen comment I believe is made in this general context, if you strike out one of the 4 or 5 super backs that can do everything, then you can still go get a guy that does a number of things for you pretty damn well, late in the recruiting game.

Edit: for that matter, even the 4 or 5 super backs generally do not do everything equally well. Usually they are super backs because they have prototypical size/speed and can house it any given play. No one may care if they can block, or do anything else. And a lot of times, they can't.
 
Well to be equally dickish about word play, you said "point to me where this has happened" which only requires one instance. Not 30. I have had this same conversation with a friend of mine, who is equally pendulum swinging about the quality of our backs, but obviously I can't quote that here. Its probably not an uncommon opinion.

He's not talking in circles, its really not that hard. For one, he typically talks rating in 247 composite, so Bryant would be a 4*, not a 3*. And two, even if one wants to debate what the difference is between a high 3* and a 4*, clearly Bryant has earned some separation between other 3* and 4* players with his SPARQ scores and overall measurables. He's not a diamond in the rough or undiscovered player.

There no's fast and hard here. There's only a few options.

1. Take a top rated player on a flip
2. Miss on a top rated player and send the scholly to another position
3. Miss on a top rated player and get an overlooked guy who you think fits the mold

In most years, #2 is NOT an option. Its been indicated that they might have that option this year, because they are solid with 1-3 in next years room, and seemingly could use it elsewhere. Gamble sure, but may not even be the route taken. And granted, we may even get lucky and be on path 3, and find the next Abdullah, I think the staff would like that very much and would be a nice prize for missing out on #1.

From what I have read of SSO, he'd prefer us to do 1, then 3, then 2.

http://247sports.com/player/tre-bryant-35422

I wasn't being "dickish". When someone says PEOPLE [my emphasis], the request for proof follows under the same qualification. It's alright, you misspoke and I took your response literally.

Oh, now he talks 247. More muddling. 247 has Tre Bryant as a composite 3*, with a point total .8638 [89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country. Many three-stars have significant pro potential.] Their personal rating, 247 that is, has him as a 4* but not as a composite, he's a 3* there.

"Two studs in the stable, but we'll only take a difference maker." That's one hell of an "insider" to follow, who happens to be all over the place.
 
Damn. I totally forgot about Taylor. But I hope he graduates. He is dead weight.

I thought for sure Taylor was going to be a stud. I watched him here in Texas carry his team in the largest classification.... I don't if it's injuries or if he's not good, can they drop after 4 years the scholarship??
 
In my opinion, this is a big problem.. to have trouble getting a great RB to commit here is unfathomable.. I don't want to start a big stink, but part of me wants to look for a better RB coach. If a position coach can't recruit his position, it's a problem.

Nebraska should NEVER have problems recruiting offensive lineman and running backs...
 
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NikkiSix - "They need to get a top guy. We already have an average group of RBs."

This is the same room of RB's who, for as recently as a handful of games ago, were "beasts" for various reasons.
I never called any of those guys "beasts". And I do think they are average from what I have seen. I also stated that maybe he grows into that role (the freshman) but that's just my subjective look at it from watching backs come through here the last 30 years. Maybe my standards are too high.
 
I think if you look at our RB room now, and heck, even the SEC's RB room, *most*of the RB's are not All-World in all facets of the game. That does not seem to be a sticking point with NU fans or football fans in general. What we generally want, is if Wilbon is a shifty guy, just get him on the edge, and forget that he can't do 5 other things. Just use the other backs accordingly.

The dime a dozen comment I believe is made in this general context, if you strike out one of the 4 or 5 super backs that can do everything, then you can still go get a guy that does a number of things for you pretty damn well, late in the recruiting game.

Edit: for that matter, even the 4 or 5 super backs generally do not do everything equally well. Usually they are super backs because they have prototypical size/speed and can house it any given play. No one may care if they can block, or do anything else. And a lot of times, they can't.

The RB by committee doesn't bother me. Why does the staff come out and say, we'll have RB by committee? Well, I think that it's important to them. If they are evaluating recruits, do you think the staff is looking for 1) inside runner with yards after initial contact, 2) good pass blocking, and 3) good hands. I would guess "yes", this is what they're looking for, these will be the players they try for.

All World? Why go this route? I haven't seen anybody go to that extreme. This is a question of legitimate threat that other teams have to take into account and pay attention to. We don't really have that now, and it doesn't appear to be that way next year.
 
The RB by committee doesn't bother me. Why does the staff come out and say, we'll have RB by committee? Well, I think that it's important to them. If they are evaluating recruits, do you think the staff is looking for 1) inside runner with yards after initial contact, 2) good pass blocking, and 3) good hands. I would guess "yes", this is what they're looking for, these will be the players they try for.

All World? Why go this route? I haven't seen anybody go to that extreme. This is a question of legitimate threat that other teams have to take into account and pay attention to. We don't really have that now, and it doesn't appear to be that way next year.

I guess "All-World" was a bad choice of words. Perhaps "equally adept at the various facets of RB play".

Abdullah was something of a rarity, a runner who was good inside or outside, could make something out of nothing, move the pile, catch the ball reliably out of the backfield, and was a very good blocker.

Most guys will not combine all those tools, as much as Riley would love to clone Abdullah the next 15 years.

IMO, outside of getting one of the absolute top backs available in a given year, it does seem to look like Riley will slant towards a Newby style back. Not necessarily a power guy, but a guy who can block, catch out of the backfield, and can get to the edge reliably without being too plodding.

We seem to be going more of the "hey your an athlete, we'll see what position you play when you get here" type of player. Like Greg Johnson or Tilford. I'm not sure how many Ozigbo's we'll see run through here, who are a little bit beefier.
 
I guess "All-World" was a bad choice of words. Perhaps "equally adept at the various facets of RB play".

Abdullah was something of a rarity, a runner who was good inside or outside, could make something out of nothing, move the pile, catch the ball reliably out of the backfield, and was a very good blocker.

Most guys will not combine all those tools, as much as Riley would love to clone Abdullah the next 15 years.

IMO, outside of getting one of the absolute top backs available in a given year, it does seem to look like Riley will slant towards a Newby style back. Not necessarily a power guy, but a guy who can block, catch out of the backfield, and can get to the edge reliably without being too plodding.

We seem to be going more of the "hey your an athlete, we'll see what position you play when you get here" type of player. Like Greg Johnson or Tilford. I'm not sure how many Ozigbo's we'll see run through here, who are a little bit beefier.
IF we develop better O line play and depth (which I thinnk we are), the current RBs on roster I think are going to make Husker fans very happy. These kids have serious talent. We need to worry first about our O line recruiting.
 
Really? So far Davis has brought in Ozigbo and Bryant. I would say that he has done pretty well on the recruiting front so far. We are still a ways from Feb. Also, he has done a heck of a job coaching the players. How many fumbles have we have this year compared to years past?

Fumbles Per Game
2016 - 41st in the country
2015 - 5th
2014 - 119th
2013 - 119th
2012 - 119th
2011 - 112th
2010 - 120th

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/fumbles-per-game?date=2016-11-17
Since Davis was hired, Newby looks like a different player.
 
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Since Davis was hired, Newby looks like a different player.

No doubt. Basing his performance off one recruiting cycle that isn't even finished yet is ridiculous. He has brought in 2 nice looking backs that have both contributed in their true freshman year in his first two years here. And the backs have minimized fumbles and improved greatly. I'm amazed anybody would single him out.
 
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IF we develop better O line play and depth (which I thinnk we are), the current RBs on roster I think are going to make Husker fans very happy. These kids have serious talent. We need to worry first about our O line recruiting.

Love to get a guy like Foster Sarrell on board, but we generally don't have a whole lot of luck with those top echelon guys.
 
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I wasn't being "dickish". When someone says PEOPLE [my emphasis], the request for proof follows under the same qualification. It's alright, you misspoke and I took your response literally.

Oh, now he talks 247. More muddling. 247 has Tre Bryant as a composite 3*, with a point total .8638 [89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country. Many three-stars have significant pro potential.] Their personal rating, 247 that is, has him as a 4* but not as a composite, he's a 3* there.

"Two studs in the stable, but we'll only take a difference maker." That's one hell of an "insider" to follow, who happens to be all over the place.

Take what you want from it, I only offered up a one line comment to start this whole thing off to say "hey its possible we don't even take a back". Whether you think its a legit option or not, certainly up to personal opinion.

It does make a little bit of sense, even if its not my preferred option.
 
No doubt. Basing his performance off one recruiting cycle that isn't even finished yet is ridiculous. He has brought in 2 nice looking backs that have both contributed in their true freshman year in his first two years here. And the backs have minimized fumbles and improved greatly. I'm amazed anybody would single him out.

I don't know that people are basing decisions solely off this incomplete cycle. The narrative on this board has questioned his recruiting abilities from day one. After the Pelini-Riley shared 2015 class, Davis' recruiting was still questioned. After the 1st Riley class, Davis' recruiting was still questioned. And now here we are, same course.

It appears at best that Davis has had a secondary role in landing recruits up to this point.

Concerning the recruited players, "nice looking" is a euphemistic term for unproven. Tre Bryant, has he had more than 20 carries this year? I'd have to look, but I think he's averaging less than 4 ypc. Devine Ozigbo, on the ncaa stat list, Ozigbo is ranked 148th out of 174 rushers with 3.84 ypc. If you drop out the qb's, Ozigbo ranks 126th out of 137 running backs.

Maybe I'm just a bad fan.
 
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I don't know that people are basing decisions solely off this incomplete cycle. The narrative on this board has questioned his recruiting abilities from day one. After the Pelini-Riley shared 2015 class, Davis' recruiting was still questioned. After the 1st Riley class, Davis' recruiting was still questioned. And now here we are, same course.

It appears at best that Davis has had a secondary role in landing recruits up to this point.

Concerning the recruited players, "nice looking" is a euphemistic term for unproven. Tre Bryant, has he had more than 20 carries this year? I'd have to look, but I think he's averaging less than 4 ypc. Devine Ozigbo, on the ncaa stat list, Ozigbo is ranked 148th out of 174 rushers with 3.84 ypc. If you drop out the qb's, Ozigbo ranks 126th out of 137 running backs.

Maybe I'm just a bad fan.
Not a bad fan at all... I would just encourage you and others to remember the line these guys have been running behind. We have seen enough clips of Oline fails on this site to last a lifetime.

My guess is these guys are better than you think, but maybe not as good as we want or need.
 
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@jflores we just offered an Oregon RB commit, just so happens to be a "lowly 3*" on Rivals, 247 and 247 composite.

That's fine. We are also crossing fingers for Bradley academically.

Do you have any idea why we are being somewhat hesitant on eno? I know the staff had talked with him
 
No update from me on Eno. I posted a few weeks ago he's ours if we wanted. There's gotta be something holding us up. What that is, I'm not aware.

Bradley isn't ranked.

Just seems weird what's going on doesn't match up with what the "insider" claimed.
 
No update from me on Eno. I posted a few weeks ago he's ours if we wanted. There's gotta be something holding us up. What that is, I'm not aware.

Bradley isn't ranked.

Just seems weird what's going on doesn't match up with what the "insider" claimed.

Hey all he threw out there was some rumbling we may not take a back this year. Which was food for thought. Especially at a place like NU. Neither he or I absolutely said it was happening that way. And both he and I are on the back every year train.

However the recruitment of Bradley does offer some insight as to the strategy. If we get Bradley it'll almost certainly be a last minute type of deal. Which means that the staff is willing to wait till nearly the twelfth hour and is st least willing to play with fire about maybe not having one right at signing day.

Personally I feel they think they can get Johnson. If Bradley qualifies Johnson plays another position. If he doesn't Johnson plays RB.

If you feel eno is ours for the taking if I were them I'd take him and move on
 
Hey all he threw out there was some rumbling we may not take a back this year. Which was food for thought.

That isn't what was stated, but I'm gonna back out since my point was proven. In a very short time period. No need to go any further.
 
Hey all he threw out there was some rumbling we may not take a back this year. Which was food for thought. Especially at a place like NU. Neither he or I absolutely said it was happening that way. And both he and I are on the back every year train.

However the recruitment of Bradley does offer some insight as to the strategy. If we get Bradley it'll almost certainly be a last minute type of deal. Which means that the staff is willing to wait till nearly the twelfth hour and is st least willing to play with fire about maybe not having one right at signing day.

Personally I feel they think they can get Johnson. If Bradley qualifies Johnson plays another position. If he doesn't Johnson plays RB.

If you feel eno is ours for the taking if I were them I'd take him and move on
3 scholarship RBs is NOT enough unless they think Miles could play RB if need be. That said, I've heard good things about the walk on Mazuur. Maybe they like him enough to count on him for depth. Kind of a Woodhead/Ross type back with really good quickness and strength in a compact package.
 
That isn't what was stated, but I'm gonna back out since my point was proven. In a very short time period. No need to go any further.

Sure thing.

I think the topic of Davis is a tough one to broach. I'm personally happy with his coaching for as far as I can see with results on the field. There is some question as to his recruiting prowess, of sort of the core 6 folks, I'd probably rate him last in terms of recruiting ability (although that doesn't mean he's an outright terrible recruiter necessarily).

I'm personally comfortable with a recruiting by committee approach for a position or two. I think largely, Riley is too. For example we do not have a TE coach, and certainly not one that can get out and hit the pavement and recruit. We bring in TE's by committee to augment what Tavita is not allowed to do as a GA. Every position we recruit *cannot* be done this way, but I suppose if you had to pick two, TE and RB would probably be the ones to pick simply because of the numbers game.

I don't think this approach is unique to Riley. Everyone likes to laud how well BC and company recruited and how stacked we used to be in the secondary. Elmo was our DB coach. Besides not being able to hold a job down for more than a year or two at a time, or generally being able to coach DB's, he was a less than stellar recruiter IMO. The only way we had talent back there, was someone else on staff doing the heavy lifting for him. I don't think the Davis situation approaches that magnitude.
 
3 scholarship RBs is NOT enough unless they think Miles could play RB if need be. That said, I've heard good things about the walk on Mazuur. Maybe they like him enough to count on him for depth. Kind of a Woodhead/Ross type back with really good quickness and strength in a compact package.

Hearing the same things here.

That's why I'm generally a back a year guy. I'm of the opinion that was uttered on 1620 last night, Wilbon has to know at this point, he's probably not going to be a feature guy here, does that make him a transfer candidate or is he willing to be part of rotation? We may not necessarily have three backs in the room next fall, even if Riley likes them all.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the weekly recruiting meeting. As far as RB's go, we have a few high end offers out, that are probably unlikely to pan out, but we have seemingly precious little out there for lesser name guys that we've evaluated and think can be workhorses for us if we have to make a play late.

But then you have the Bradley situation, Eno floating around mysteriously out there, and a couple of athletes who could be RB's floating out there, which mucks up the picture.
 
Hearing the same things here.

That's why I'm generally a back a year guy. I'm of the opinion that was uttered on 1620 last night, Wilbon has to know at this point, he's probably not going to be a feature guy here, does that make him a transfer candidate or is he willing to be part of rotation? We may not necessarily have three backs in the room next fall, even if Riley likes them all.

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IMO we can land a guy like Wilbon at the last minute without much problem. There are a ton of good backs out there that show up on film their senior year. I would take another late addition like Devine Oz in a heartbeat. I really think people don't understand how good our top 3 backs are this year. IF we had a better situation with our O line depth and injuries it would be more evident but I see all of these kids do some pretty impressive things at times. It's damned hard though when you get hit behind the LOS.
 
Our best overall back, today, is Terrell Newby. In the future, it very well could be Tre Bryant or Devine Ozigbo. Interesting though, in a different post you mocked people for being optimistic which is exactly what you're doing above.

You missed the point about Stevenson's recruitment.

Thomas & Watts aren't from Florida. Also, Parrella didn't need an introduction to Porcher.

Porcher said he and Parrella had been communicating almost every day they could. "He knows what it takes to get there (to the NFL). We have a good relationship … I just think he's a good person to be around."

Diverting attention away from the subject is never a good thing.
Newly has been called an NFL back by Ameer for some time; who appears to have mentored him. Newbys ability to get yac previous to this year, was inferior to the other backs imo. I believe he has been "coached up" this year - and Ameer has helped and no doubt increased his confidence. Previous to this season, I didn't see him in the NFL. He is a late bloomer and I believe has made some inspiring runs, most likely inspired by his desire to serve his team and fans. ..... Sandbagging by these kids - really ? I think I could puke; someone would really think they look for potential arms to trip over vs holes to break open into for bigger gains ? Ameer made comments recently about his disappointment in so called fans reactions and comments ; and to sum it up questioned their character. IMO
 
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IMO we can land a guy like Wilbon at the last minute without much problem. There are a ton of good backs out there that show up on film their senior year. I would take another late addition like Devine Oz in a heartbeat. I really think people don't understand how good our top 3 backs are this year. IF we had a better situation with our O line depth and injuries it would be more evident but I see all of these kids do some pretty impressive things at times. It's damned hard though when you get hit behind the LOS.
Great Post. GBR
 
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