Because he is a senior and wants to get into the league. There are running backs that hold back and try to stay injury free. I can't say with certainty, but it's my best guess why you see the change in Newby this year.
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Regardless of what coaches see in Greg Johnson, Eno Benjamin should have an offer. Eno and Calloway would be great gets! We ain't getting Carr away from USC.
In your opinion, does Newby's career here indicate he is league worthy? He's been better this year, but he's not going to have stellar stats. A knack for breaking a few runs in crunch time.
?? That's the problem.. I'm saying that the current RB coach's recruiting abilities are suspect. I don't know what you are talking about.
I think Calloway is Arky bound. Mom doesn't want him far away.
Someone better call Charlton Warren and make sure he "evaluates talent" for Reggie Davis.
Then he received that direct message on his Twitter account that turned everything. It was from Charlton Warren, the lone assistant coach who had been retained by Riley from Bo Pelini's staff, asking him if he was ever interested in Nebraska. No offer yet. Just a question.
Ozigbo knew his answer.
"As soon as I got that DM, I was like, 'If they offer, that's where I'm going no matter what,'" Ozigbo said. "Didn't even have to take the visit. I just knew the tradition and the people. I didn't know much, but I knew enough that if I got that offer, that's where I was going."
The "insider" is correct about his dime a dozen comment. However, part of the problem Nebraska has had is too many dime a dozen players and not enough impact guys. The "insider" is all over the place with his comments.
This staff didn't evaluate Gerry, Jones, Kalu and Williams x2. Four of the five were already on campus, plus the fifth [Aaron Williams] was committed to the previous staff for quite awhile.
And my money is on Lamar Jackson ending up better than Kalu and Jones. Way better.
Then he received that direct message on his Twitter account that turned everything. It was from Charlton Warren, the lone assistant coach who had been retained by Riley from Bo Pelini's staff, asking him if he was ever interested in Nebraska. No offer yet. Just a question.
Ozigbo knew his answer.
"As soon as I got that DM, I was like, 'If they offer, that's where I'm going no matter what,'" Ozigbo said. "Didn't even have to take the visit. I just knew the tradition and the people. I didn't know much, but I knew enough that if I got that offer, that's where I was going."
The "insider" is correct about his dime a dozen comment. However, part of the problem Nebraska has had is too many dime a dozen players and not enough impact guys. The "insider" is all over the place with his comments.
This staff didn't evaluate Gerry, Jones, Kalu and Williams x2. Four of the five were already on campus, plus the fifth [Aaron Williams] was committed to the previous staff for quite awhile.
And my money is on Lamar Jackson ending up better than Kalu and Jones. Way better.
You had made a comment before that certain kinds of assists or good fortune don't count as good recruiting.
Certainly, having the son of an NFL All Pro receiver do a ton of leg work, would qualify. Especially since he also appears to be the lead recruiter of Eno.
No, he's not in my opinion, but someone might call him up in FA. Like I said, I wouldn't, but there are lots of teams in the league that make weird personnel choices, so anything is possible.
I'm talking about the context of the RB coach. You can't give the RB coach a kudos on a running back pickup that was made because of Riley. That's what I'm saying.
No they didn't evaluate most of the secondary, but he wasn't using that as a justification for their evaluation skills (those seem to be universally recognized). He was just pointing out that a bunch of lesser name kids who fit the system can be found and play well.
All in all, if we end with a good fit RB, and a bunch of top shelf players elsewhere, we're going to have a really good class.
My ideal wish on this staff has been the same deal since day #1 of the hires
1) Relocate Bruce Read to an admin spot
2) Move Davis over to coach TE's and assist with O-line (basically his job when with the 49ers)
3) Hire a big time recruiter and have him coach RB's... Add a GA to help coach RB (we will have plenty of GA spots open next year.)
They need to fill the TE coaching spot at the end of the year. Tavita Thompson is in year # 2 as a GA, and he likely wont get a real job here next year so they will need a replacement. We have a handful of young TE's that could use Davis' expertise and we already have our TE for the 2018 class so he wouldn't have to recruit that much. And GBR is right, Davis hasn't been overly impressive on the recruiting trail. Huskers really don't have a lock down recruiter on the staff and currently do not have a recruiting coach in 247's top 100. That's not acceptable. http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeCoachRankings
And I am not sure how anyone could say RD is an amazing RB coach. Because he coached Jacquizz Rodgers at OSU? Jacquizz Rodgers isn't that great of a player. Maybe for a program like the beavers he was but not for our program. And I have not been blown away @ RB play these last few seasons under Davis. Our RB's are solid, don't get me wrong but I don't see 1 difference maker in the backfield. Oz & Bryant maybe down the line. But this is the first time since Marlon Lucky that our feature Sr. RB wont be drafted. RB's come to NU to get drafted. Blame the O-line play all you want but Newby isn't making any scouts draft board. He'll sign as a FA and get a look some place for sure. Maybe none of this has to do with RD @ coach but it sure doesn't help him.
Seems like HCMR has the opportunity after year 2 to really make a splash on the staff and it wouldn't require any unemployment, something I know he doesn't want to do to his buddies. And I am not stupid, I give this 0.001% chance of happening. He'll retain Read as "special teams coordinator", Davis will continue coaching RB's, he'll bring in an ex-OSU TE to GA TE's. Not much will change.
1) Relocate Bruce Read to an admin spot
2) Move Davis over to coach TE's and assist with O-line (basically his job when with the 49ers)
3) Hire a big time recruiter and have him coach RB's... Add a GA to help coach RB (we will have plenty of GA spots open next year.)
They need to fill the TE coaching spot at the end of the year. Tavita Thompson is in year # 2 as a GA, and he likely wont get a real job here next year so they will need a replacement. We have a handful of young TE's that could use Davis' expertise and we already have our TE for the 2018 class so he wouldn't have to recruit that much. And GBR is right, Davis hasn't been overly impressive on the recruiting trail. Huskers really don't have a lock down recruiter on the staff and currently do not have a recruiting coach in 247's top 100. That's not acceptable. http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeCoachRankings
And I am not sure how anyone could say RD is an amazing RB coach. Because he coached Jacquizz Rodgers at OSU? Jacquizz Rodgers isn't that great of a player. Maybe for a program like the beavers he was but not for our program. And I have not been blown away @ RB play these last few seasons under Davis. Our RB's are solid, don't get me wrong but I don't see 1 difference maker in the backfield. Oz & Bryant maybe down the line. But this is the first time since Marlon Lucky that our feature Sr. RB wont be drafted. RB's come to NU to get drafted. Blame the O-line play all you want but Newby isn't making any scouts draft board. He'll sign as a FA and get a look some place for sure. Maybe none of this has to do with RD @ coach but it sure doesn't help him.
Seems like HCMR has the opportunity after year 2 to really make a splash on the staff and it wouldn't require any unemployment, something I know he doesn't want to do to his buddies. And I am not stupid, I give this 0.001% chance of happening. He'll retain Read as "special teams coordinator", Davis will continue coaching RB's, he'll bring in an ex-OSU TE to GA TE's. Not much will change.
It's a contradiction.
No doubt "lesser kids" can fit the system. But, this same "insider" said we won't recruit a "3*" [lesser kid] running back just to recruit one.
Which is it? He's all over the place.
I don't believe anyone has said he's "amazing". I think he's a pretty good coach though.
Riley really likes Tavita. If Reed goes, Tavita is in. He's a great recruiter as well.
IMO Riley is going to run the RB position like an NFL squad, its fairly easily filled position if you strike out with the top free agents. And we still have time, we may end up with Eno or Johnson (or both).
No he's just saying you don't have to go get one now. If the bottom drops out, youcan get one very late, if you want to spend the scholly there.
Suppose Shelvin does a 180 an wants N. Would you rather have Peacock or Shelvin? We may reallocate if we don't find theright guy, of any fame level.
Especially if Holloman, Calvin, Hodgkins, and Lewis all want N.
This is what your insider has said, "They're talent evaluators, but there's no 2017 3* in the country that fits Davis' requirement. That's why he's going after the big fish". Excuse me while I laugh at that notion, it's a cover for Davis' inept recruiting, to date. Total contradiction.
Every year there's the "what if so and so wants in....." and every year it doesn't happen.
If, if, if, Husker recruiting in a nutshell. You worry about it when it happens, not if it happens. Which rarely, if ever, has happened, at Nebraska.
Didn't the NCAA pass a rule that allows for an additional paid coach starting next season? Tavita will be on staff next year. I would bet on that.
In the totality of reading his opinions, you have this upside down. It starts with who is already on campus. We are three deep with kids they like. They have Miles coming in.
So we may or may not take another back.
If we do, we'd like it to be a Carr or someone high profile. If no high profile guys bite, we can take another Ozigbo type. And we can get that type of player late, which means we can have hooks into a number of other positons where we might pull an extra marquee guy.
But we may not take one at all. I'm not sure what the likelihood of this is. I'd prefer we take one.
They need to get a top guy. We already have an average group of RBs.
I guess it could be argued whether we should have him already or not.
If the staff is comfortable with only 3 viable backs next year with their sights on a difference maker in 2018, then that's what it is.
They might want to look at a better position coach to improve those recruiting odds next year.
This actually sort of sounds like what happened last year with the DL coach not getting any recruits.
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We are never going to run. 1 qb and 10 wideouts on the field. Defense will have to guess who is eligible.
For goodness sake, Miles isn't a RB. I have tings upside down? The posts you've shared contradict one another, they're all over the place. Talent evaluators; see our current DB's. Except, they weren't evaluated by this staff. Wait, you're misunderstanding what the guy is saying. Umm, ya, sorry man but no.
If we're three deep with kids we like, there's no reason to grab anyone. Spot is saved for the following year, grab two if needed. Reggie Davis is struggling to land his top priorities and the "insider" is trying to spin it to something ridiculous.
This is such a ridiculous discussion, I'm officially out of it.
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Can you list the rest of the guys on the team that are sandbagging.... that way the rest of us will know it is not coaching if they improve. Thanks!
Not in the least. We've had top backs visit. We don't have any smoke about the current RB room not liking their coach and leaving. We have a RB coach who is active on Twitter, unlike the prior DL coach. We even have top talent talking to Davis, even if they are unlikely pulls (this was not the case with the prior DL coach). We even had several inklings within the media that the former DL coach would be axed, as well as among insiders.
There are some fans who think Davis is dead weight (I'm not one of them, but I'm not wedded to him either). But there is literally no indicator he is on his last leash for lack of recruiting effort, personality, results on the field, etc. Nothing.
If anything, Reed is the guy on the sacrificial altar at the moment, which IMO, he should be.
I say again, for the sake of reading comprehension everywhere, the DB's were pointed out as a way of saying that lesser name guys can be made to successfully fit a system even if they lack star power.
They were not pointed out as a way of saying how awesome the current staff is at evaluating talent.
In fact, I even went out my way to say that, staff evaluation is a talent that is fairly well recognized as a strong point with this staff, and isn't generally questioned.
That's why I asked what the standard is. When your top two or three priorities are backs who are committed to USC, Bama, and Auburn, what should a RB coach batting average be who isn't dead weight?
IMO, in most years that you do that, your batting average is going to be low, if not zero.
Which would appear then, why we are taking chances with Tilford, Johnson, and perhaps Eno (Eno is a mystery however the exact relationship).
The only way that the staff can be concentrating this much towards the top end with say 5-6 guys, is if they are comfortable passing on a RB commit this year if they strike out, or finding a 5.6 3* type of guy last minute who fits the mold. I think they are very comfortable doing that. They are very high on Tre Bryant.
Peacock at one point, was all but signed, sealed, and delivered I think according to Clouse. The staff sorta held off. There's something else going on here with RB strategy, IMO, that has nothing to do with recruiting ability or ability connect with RB's. These last couple month will be interesting.
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Here's Pernell's take on the whole "we have a bunch of average backs" talk.
"I don't think it's fair - or smart - to overlook Tre Bryant already. All this talk that a star back not being on the roster could be premature.
"Nebraska wanted to grab one running back in this class and came away with arguably the best I-back in their 500-mile radius. Tre Bryant (5-11, 200) burst on to the national scene this past May following an outstanding showing at the Nike The Opening Regional Camp in Chicago. His testing numbers earned him the SPARQ MVP award and his overall performance got him an invite to The Opening finals, which is regarded as the nation's top high school football event.
The SPARQ test has become a popular barometer for judging a players athletic prowess the last few years. It focuses on four exercises (40-yard dash, vertical jump, pro-shuttle, kneeling powerball toss) and when normalized by weight, gives a number that measures the player's power, agility, speed, explosiveness and overall athleticism. A SPARQ score of 130 or higher is said to put a player in elite athletic company. In Chicago, Bryant posted a 4.53 40-yard dash, a 38.3" vertical jump, and a 4.00 pro-shuttle, earning a total score of 131.91. How impressive were those numbers? Well, to put it in perspective, Bryant's 40-yard dash time would have tied him for sixth among running backs who participated in the 2015 NFL Combine. His pro-shuttle would have been the second best mark and his vertical would have ranked seventh. Obviously those numbers don't always translate to on-field success, but it shows the level of athleticism and natural gifts that Bryant possesses."
"I don't think it's fair - or smart - to overlook Tre Bryant already. All this talk that a star back not being on the roster could be premature.
"Nebraska wanted to grab one running back in this class and came away with arguably the best I-back in their 500-mile radius. Tre Bryant (5-11, 200) burst on to the national scene this past May following an outstanding showing at the Nike The Opening Regional Camp in Chicago. His testing numbers earned him the SPARQ MVP award and his overall performance got him an invite to The Opening finals, which is regarded as the nation's top high school football event.
The SPARQ test has become a popular barometer for judging a players athletic prowess the last few years. It focuses on four exercises (40-yard dash, vertical jump, pro-shuttle, kneeling powerball toss) and when normalized by weight, gives a number that measures the player's power, agility, speed, explosiveness and overall athleticism. A SPARQ score of 130 or higher is said to put a player in elite athletic company. In Chicago, Bryant posted a 4.53 40-yard dash, a 38.3" vertical jump, and a 4.00 pro-shuttle, earning a total score of 131.91. How impressive were those numbers? Well, to put it in perspective, Bryant's 40-yard dash time would have tied him for sixth among running backs who participated in the 2015 NFL Combine. His pro-shuttle would have been the second best mark and his vertical would have ranked seventh. Obviously those numbers don't always translate to on-field success, but it shows the level of athleticism and natural gifts that Bryant possesses."
" The only way that the staff can be concentrating this much towards the top end with say 5-6 guys, is if they are comfortable passing on a RB commit this year"
The reason I say this is, take a look at a position group we all know is recruiting well....WR.
Lewis is all but N. Calvin seems likely to be N, or Hodgkins. We have been handing out offers like candy even though it seems likely that our WR is likely to be full anyway. Holloman is the latest.
It would be highly unlikely then, that Riley turns around in the same weekly meeting and says, hey, lets only offer 3 backs who are likely to turn us down and see where that gets us.
If we're not handing out more RB offers, it has to be for a reason, even if it never comes to light.
The reason I say this is, take a look at a position group we all know is recruiting well....WR.
Lewis is all but N. Calvin seems likely to be N, or Hodgkins. We have been handing out offers like candy even though it seems likely that our WR is likely to be full anyway. Holloman is the latest.
It would be highly unlikely then, that Riley turns around in the same weekly meeting and says, hey, lets only offer 3 backs who are likely to turn us down and see where that gets us.
If we're not handing out more RB offers, it has to be for a reason, even if it never comes to light.
But it's okay to overlook Lamar Jackson, a top 100 recruit? Maybe Pernell isn't the "insider" referenced earlier, which further muddles this conversation.
It took Reggie Davis till the second or third week of October [6 months after he burst on the national scene] to reach out to Tre Bryant. Thankfully, his high school coach sent mid-season film to a lot of schools, Nebraska included. We're also thankful Kenny Wilhite has great connections in St. Louis.
It's debatable if Tre Bryant was the best 500-mile radius guy. Justice Hill was within the radius and he's a dang good back.
No, not the same guy. Pernell is a recruiting analyst.
Although your indignation could equally apply to Whilite. If Davis sat on his butt 6 months, why did Whilite, who had connections and should have known?
Ostensibly we shouldn't have been waiting for some STL high school coach to ring us up with film with Whilite on staff.
There's really nothing muddy about this conversation. I've been clear, I'm a "back a year" guy, same as you.
I'm willing to wait to see how the class shakes out before declaring Davis dead weight. We may well have two top tier guys on the roster come signing day who could be D1 backs. We could have zero.
I'm willing to wait to see how the class shakes out before declaring Davis dead weight. We may well have two top tier guys on the roster come signing day who could be D1 backs. We could have zero.
IMO The amount of pendulum swing around here is ridiculous. Last year, Wilbon was a "beast" who was being unfairly doghoused. Ozigbo should have started, because he's a "beast" too. This year, Tre Bryant was going to be a "beast" and start come B1G play.
Now, 3 months from signing day, we have a RB room full of average backs and are complaining we may not take one, or may not take a high enough profile one.
Now, 3 months from signing day, we have a RB room full of average backs and are complaining we may not take one, or may not take a high enough profile one.
Ozigbo = Warren.
Bryant = Davis, plus help from Wilhite.
Stevenson = Stewart & Bray.
Let that sink in. For the betterment of the football program, I hope this changes. Sooner rather than later.
Bryant = Davis, plus help from Wilhite.
Stevenson = Stewart & Bray.
Let that sink in. For the betterment of the football program, I hope this changes. Sooner rather than later.
Well in black and white terms, Davis recruited probably our best overall back with help. And our second best overall back, he built upon previously done work.
And he had no part in the Head Case. That's not a tremendously bad position to be in, in year 2.
Again, maybe we should tell Parrella to stop having Stewart set the table for him in Florida.
Well in black and white terms, Davis recruited probably our best overall back with help. And our second best overall back, he built upon previously done work.
And he had no part in the Head Case. That's not a tremendously bad position to be in, in year 2.
Again, maybe we should tell Parrella to stop having Stewart set the table for him in Florida.
Our best overall back, today, is Terrell Newby. In the future, it very well could be Tre Bryant or Devine Ozigbo. Interesting though, in a different post you mocked people for being optimistic which is exactly what you're doing above.
You missed the point about Stevenson's recruitment.
Thomas & Watts aren't from Florida. Also, Parrella didn't need an introduction to Porcher.
Porcher said he and Parrella had been communicating almost every day they could. "He knows what it takes to get there (to the NFL). We have a good relationship … I just think he's a good person to be around."
Diverting attention away from the subject is never a good thing.
Sure, but for next year's room, we're primarily talking about the 3 that people are currently labeling "average" (Zig, Tre, Wilbon).
Parrella's table isn't being set for this year, its next year. I believe Stewart is doing a bunch of the heavy lifting with some impact DE's.
Let me be clear, I'm not knocking Parrella. I'm just pointing out how stupid it is to
a. Demand that we only count efforts that are done without help (this can almost never be the case because we have dedicated recruiting staff)
b. If we do ignore a, don't apply it equally to a lot of other coaches who get help with their targets, either in direct sales, or heads up or whatever.
Since Read is the primary talent evaluator (or at least a key inner circle member in that department), if we followed the trail, Read should probably get a bunch of credit for a bunch of people's "gets". At least as much as Warren gets for Ozigbo, for that matter.
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Don't forget that Adam Taylor was going to transfer because he is the best back ever.
Point to me where that's happened. 2 of the 3 are "lesser" type backs, according to the insider you quoted earlier. Can't have it both ways.
As for the rest of your response, I can't take you serious.
NikkiSix - "They need to get a top guy. We already have an average group of RBs."
This is the same room of RB's who, for as recently as a handful of games ago, were "beasts" for various reasons.
