A Lesson On Polls - Biden Speech Approval Rating of 85% was False

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CBS reported Biden's approval rating was 85%. In their own words, they stated that
"In the latest CBS News national poll, 34% of Americans nationwide identified as Democrats. Among those who watched tonight's speech, that figure is 54%, helping boost approval of the address"

What they didn't say is that their survey only polled 169 republicans of 943 people they polled.

In polling you always work to ensure your sample is representative AND you always report the make up of your sample. CBS did none of that.

At best it is disingenuous. Few in the media can be trusted. Read bills, watch C-span and form your own opinions.
 

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It’s pretty damn clear if you read the CBS article it was boosted by dem viewership. Nothing sinister about it.


“Eighty-five percent of Americans who watched Mr. Biden's first address to a joint session of Congress overwhelmingly approve of his speech”

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It’s pretty damn clear if you read the CBS article it was boosted by dem viewership. Nothing sinister about it.


“Eighty-five percent of Americans who watched Mr. Biden's first address to a joint session of Congress overwhelmingly approve of his speech”

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Yeah not sure what else you do besides lay out who you polled. More democrats were going to watch so right off the bat it's going to be out of balance. Plus the pubs are watching FOX/OAN coverage. They're not going to then go to CBS to fill out a poll.
 

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CBS reported Biden's approval rating was 85%. In their own words, they stated that
"In the latest CBS News national poll, 34% of Americans nationwide identified as Democrats. Among those who watched tonight's speech, that figure is 54%, helping boost approval of the address"

What they didn't say is that their survey only polled 169 republicans of 943 people they polled.

In polling you always work to ensure your sample is representative AND you always report the make up of your sample. CBS did none of that.

At best it is disingenuous. Few in the media can be trusted. Read bills, watch C-span and form your own opinions.
The difference between most republicans and most democrats is that the republicans just don't watch things like this whereas when Trump gave a speech, most democrats tuned in because IMO, democrats seem to be more into politics all of the time. I watched the Braves, followed by an episode of the Big Bang Theory instead of watching Biden twitch in front of a camera.
 

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Yeah not sure what else you do besides lay out who you polled. More democrats were going to watch so right off the bat it's going to be out of balance. Plus the pubs are watching FOX/OAN coverage. They're not going to then go to CBS to fill out a poll.
Yeah, and who are the people tuning into CBS? They are the people who watch Big Bang Theory. These people are sick in the head anyways...
 

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It’s pretty damn clear if you read the CBS article it was boosted by dem viewership. Nothing sinister about it.


“Eighty-five percent of Americans who watched Mr. Biden's first address to a joint session of Congress overwhelmingly approve of his speech”

party-id-speech-watchers.png

And then overweighted the survey sample....
It’s pretty damn clear if you read the CBS article it was boosted by dem viewership. Nothing sinister about it.


“Eighty-five percent of Americans who watched Mr. Biden's first address to a joint session of Congress overwhelmingly approve of his speech”

party-id-speech-watchers.png


We live in a "headline" world. CBS posted this tweet after the speech
It's designed to portray something that was not.
 

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And then overweighted the survey sample....



We live in a "headline" world. CBS posted this tweet after the speech

It's designed to portray something that was not.
Pretty hard to poll people who didn’t watch it. This isn’t complicated.

“More than eight in 10 of those who watched approve of Biden’s speech.”
 

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More Biden supporters than non-Biden people watched the speech. Why is anyone surprised at that and thus surprised it had major support?
 
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The difference between most republicans and most democrats is that the republicans just don't watch things like this whereas when Trump gave a speech, most democrats tuned in because IMO, democrats seem to be more into politics all of the time. I watched the Braves, followed by an episode of the Big Bang Theory instead of watching Biden twitch in front of a camera.
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Trumps first SOTU: 85% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said they either watched live or read news reports about the speech, contrasted with 68% of Democrats and Democratic leaners.
 
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And then overweighted the survey sample....



We live in a "headline" world. CBS posted this tweet after the speech

It's designed to portray something that was not.
How is it portraying anything other than the fact? Both the tweet and the graph clearly indicated the sample was of those who watched. This is faux outrage, nothing more.
 

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It just kills you rightness that Biden is 100x smarter, better, and more liked than you're orange turd furor doesn't it?
Here's the thing. We don't have to prop up Biden. He's still a pretty 'meh' candidate and while I don't think he's "totally gone mentally" like the right wants to claim, he's still have a little "I'm 78 and don't have perfect recall and struggle with non-written speaking".

Trump was the bottom of the bottom (at least in my lifetime) as an individual and on the integrity scale. He still passed some stuff that was certainly decent (tax bill, deregulation, etc) but when the election happened he truly showed his character.

I still contend that if you can still support him after the Georgia phone call, you and I have different standards for ethics. That was so far out of bounds it should be treasonous to me. Leader of the country pressuring a local election official is off the charts corrupt. All of that leading to Jan 6...the book writes itself.

I'm skeptical of some of Joe's ideas and will criticize frequently all while relaxing and loving the idea that the Trump reign is over.
 

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Here's the thing. We don't have to prop up Biden. He's still a pretty 'meh' candidate and while I don't think he's "totally gone mentally" like the right wants to claim, he's still have a little "I'm 78 and don't have perfect recall and struggle with non-written speaking".

Trump was the bottom of the bottom (at least in my lifetime) as an individual and on the integrity scale. He still passed some stuff that was certainly decent (tax bill, deregulation, etc) but when the election happened he truly showed his character.

I still contend that if you can still support him after the Georgia phone call, you and I have different standards for ethics. That was so far out of bounds it should be treasonous to me. Leader of the country pressuring a local election official is off the charts corrupt. All of that leading to Jan 6...the book writes itself.

I'm skeptical of some of Joe's ideas and will criticize frequently all while relaxing and loving the idea that the Trump reign is over.
So you are all for Bidophile using the DOJ to go after his political enemies.
 

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I guess I should clarify. It just seems to me that more democrats are into this no matter what whereby republicans are more into it when their guy is in power than when they are out. For the example above, I don't think that 68% of republicans watched the speech the other night.
 
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So you are all for Bidophile using the DOJ to go after his political enemies.

This oughta be good. Why don't you explain what you mean? I assume you're talking about Rudy and the investigation that started in 2019?
 

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The difference between most republicans and most democrats is that the republicans just don't watch things like this whereas when Trump gave a speech, most democrats tuned in because IMO, democrats seem to be more into politics all of the time. I watched the Braves, followed by an episode of the Big Bang Theory instead of watching Biden twitch in front of a camera.
Old western I'd seen multiple times for me. Pretty likely a real poll would show close to that same percentage with disapproval.
 

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The difference between most republicans and most democrats is that the republicans just don't watch things like this whereas when Trump gave a speech, most democrats tuned in because IMO, democrats seem to be more into politics all of the time. I watched the Braves, followed by an episode of the Big Bang Theory instead of watching Biden twitch in front of a camera.
I didn't watch the Trump speeches but I would see the "highlights" on the late night talk shows. You couldn't look away, kind of like watching a train wreck.
 
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Yawn come up with something that makes sense as Biden is on video molesting little girls.
Yawn. C'mon Bob is that all you got. Trump is on tape talking about wanting to date his daughter. Eww. But I suppose that is normal to you Bobby. Trump slept with a porn star and lied about it. Poor Melania. Your hero Trump is a disgusting piece of trash.
 
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Yawn. C'mon Bob is that all you got. Trump is on tape talking about wanting to date his daughter. Eww. But I suppose that is normal to you Bobby. Trump slept with a porn star and lied about it. Poor Melania. Your hero Trump is a disgusting piece of trash.
So Mr. Perfect if you cheated on your wife you would be honest got it.
 

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CBS reported Biden's approval rating was 85%. In their own words, they stated that
"In the latest CBS News national poll, 34% of Americans nationwide identified as Democrats. Among those who watched tonight's speech, that figure is 54%, helping boost approval of the address"

What they didn't say is that their survey only polled 169 republicans of 943 people they polled.

In polling you always work to ensure your sample is representative AND you always report the make up of your sample. CBS did none of that.

At best it is disingenuous. Few in the media can be trusted. Read bills, watch C-span and form your own opinions.

I view every political poll with healthy skepticism. I consider the source, how the questions are structured, methodology, timing, etc. And, as we know, most people use statistics and polls primarily to support their existing bias.
 

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It’s pretty damn clear if you read the CBS article it was boosted by dem viewership. Nothing sinister about it.


“Eighty-five percent of Americans who watched Mr. Biden's first address to a joint session of Congress overwhelmingly approve of his speech”

party-id-speech-watchers.png

I don't disagree, but you have to read it. Why does the topline always favor one side? Let's take, for example, this ABC tweet:


"23% of Americans think the country has become more united since Pres. Biden took office, according to a new @ABC News/Ipsos poll. Among this group, an overwhelming 87% give Biden credit."

That's a headline that implies Biden is making progress on uniting and is getting credit.

When you look into the actual data (question 5, 5a and 5b):


You find that also 28% of people think that the country is more divided and 60% of those think its because of Biden.

If ever a headline deserved both sides of the story, the data would suggest this one does. Why doesn't it?