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When did this happen in the game? Totally missed it... would like to go to it since I recorded it and watch it again on a big screen...
I can see what he was trying to do, even though it is illegal. I was far more upset by the soccer flop done later in the game that earned a personal foul against Cethan. I wish like in the NBA, they would punish the flopper. That ref who called it needs some sort of punishment too.
Thanks. I will find it and see what happened the previous play or two...I don't know when it happened. Ryker hands off so that should eliminate a lot of the game.
Last, or second to last drive. Think he was punching at the ball, since that'd be their only hope.I don't know when it happened. Ryker hands off so that should eliminate a lot of the game.
I wish you had some passion and descriptive abilities, 4.6.3!
YES, when watching the game, we all said what the F!#@ he is throwing punches. I was wondering if anyone else caught this.
Last, or second to last drive. Think he was punching at the ball, since that'd be their only hope.
The player was trying to punch out THE FOOTBALL. At that point in the game, the only way Minnesota could win was if they got a turnover.
The player was trying to punch out THE FOOTBALL. At that point in the game, the only way Minnesota could win was if they got a turnover.
Yeah, I agree with this, I think he is just trying to get the ball out but it does look bad.
My thought is that unless there is an intent to injure the player, they the punch will be allowed, although I don't do football officiating rules. As long as it is a genuine attempt at knocking the ball loose, its not a foul? Perhaps one of our resident football officials can clarify?After weighing the evidence, I believe he was going for the ball as well. Here's my question, don't know the answer...
If a player throws a punch like this that connects flush with the ball carrier's hand, potentially damaging the hand, is that fair game? Or should that be a penalty?
I could see the punch crushing some fingers or knuckles causing the ball carrier to drop the ball. Is that ok or a penalty if it is caught by the ref?
there is a group of helmets around and the ball is down lower.
Thanks for the clarification. I guess I've just never seen anyone take a straight on punch approach like that. I frequently see coming down from above, but the defender wasn't in a position to chop it like you describe. Learn something new everyday...Punching the ball with a closed fist is not illegal. Coaches have been teaching it for years. You can use an open hand and fingers if you want but you also run the risk of hurting yourself. Most coaches teach players when the opportunity arises to chop down on the ball knowing you are going to get ball, arm and anything else in the way. They are taught to do it quite violently as well. The question was asked about injured. There are so many hand injuries from helmets and pads, this is pretty minor but all part of the game. The officials just have to determine intent in their own minds.
Striking Fouls and Tripping
ARTICLE 2. a. No person subject to the rules shall strike an opponent with the knee; strike an opponent’s helmet (including the face mask), neck, face or any other part of the body with an extended forearm, elbow, locked hands, palm, fist, or the heel, back or side of the open hand; or gouge an opponent (A.R. 9-1-2-I).
I think he should have come in with a roundhouse kick. So long as he was going for the ball and not trying to injure a player should be no problem.
I think it would have been a lot more effective and more likely to dislodge something than those weak girly punches..
As usual, we have people who will come in and pretty much absolve the refs of anything they do wrong. Here is the rule in question here:
I find nothing in the rules that specifically states that it is legal to punch the ball, or any statement to that effect. There is not some sort of protected status around punching the ball, the ball is simply fair game if you have a shot at it. There is nothing in this rule that states if there is a question of if the player is punching for the ball, it's not a foul. It's simply common sense that if a player punches a ball from someone's hand, it's legal. From what I could see live, and in every replay after the fact, the ball does not seem to be visible, and it doesn't look like, based on the angle, the Minnesota player had some sort of clean shot at it. So, in effect, he's just wildly swinging his arm and fist, all of which certainly seem against the rule I posted above. It should have been a penalty, but I'm not surprised they didn't call one.
I would be willing to bet everything I own, if the two teams were reversed, flags and hats would have been flying everywhere from every ref on the field. I most certainly wouldn't have a problem with a Nebraska player being flagged for doing that; and I'd be willing to bet the same people arguing it's okay they didn't call a penalty would be the first to argue why it should have been a penalty, and would be the first to say we "got away with one" if none was called.
As usual, we have people who will come in and pretty much absolve the refs of anything they do wrong. Here is the rule in question here:
I find nothing in the rules that specifically states that it is legal to punch the ball, or any statement to that effect. There is not some sort of protected status around punching the ball, the ball is simply fair game if you have a shot at it. There is nothing in this rule that states if there is a question of if the player is punching for the ball, it's not a foul. It's simply common sense that if a player punches a ball from someone's hand, it's legal. From what I could see live, and in every replay after the fact, the ball does not seem to be visible, and it doesn't look like, based on the angle, the Minnesota player had some sort of clean shot at it. So, in effect, he's just wildly swinging his arm and fist, all of which certainly seem against the rule I posted above. It should have been a penalty, but I'm not surprised they didn't call one.
I would be willing to bet everything I own, if the two teams were reversed, flags and hats would have been flying everywhere from every ref on the field. I most certainly wouldn't have a problem with a Nebraska player being flagged for doing that; and I'd be willing to bet the same people arguing it's okay they didn't call a penalty would be the first to argue why it should have been a penalty, and would be the first to say we "got away with one" if none was called.
I'd like to hear from an official who actually attends the pre-season and in-season meetings and conference calls and has undoubtedly seen similar punches at the ball many times over