4-3, 9-5, 6-7, 10-4, 11-2

[HesJustAFriendISwear]

First five years of Dabo Swinney's tenure. Even in his 4th year (2011), nearly lost to Wofford, lost to 3 of their rivals (comparable to our Iowa/Wiscy/Northwestern), and got boatraced by West Virginia 70-33 (West Virginia had 49 points on them at half).

His 5th year? Lost to both of their rivals (Florida St and South Carolina).

I'm sure there were fans who thought the wheels had fallen off, but Clemson improved incrementally. Nebraska was 0-5 at this juncture last year, but we're looking at nearly the same win total we had last year at not even the half-way point. Maybe Frost's tenure starts like this:

4-8, 6-6, 7-5, 9-3, 11-2, 11-2 (Wiscy and Iowa are blown out)

would that not make everything worth it in the long run?

 

[HuskerHusaria]

Be my guest, OP...

 

[Sinomatic]

First five years of Dabo Swinney's tenure. Even in his 4th year (2011), nearly lost to Wofford, lost to 3 of their rivals (comparable to our Iowa/Wiscy/Northwestern), and got boatraced by West Virginia 70-33 (West Virginia had 49 points on them at half).

His 5th year? Lost to both of their rivals (Florida St and South Carolina).

I'm sure there were fans who thought the wheels had fallen off, but Clemson improved incrementally. Nebraska was 0-5 at this juncture last year, but we're looking at nearly the same win total we had last year at not even the half-way point. Maybe Frost's tenure starts like this:

4-8, 6-6, 7-5, 9-3, 11-2, 11-2 (Wiscy and Iowa are blown out)

would that not make everything worth it in the long run?

Yes in my opinion. Poor recruiting Pelinis last couple years, half of MR recruits up and vanished altogether,(not to mention the bevy of coaching changes on the defensive side of the ball), and a mad scramble recruiting class for HCSF first year.....with a whole new offensive system. Considering all.... Yes that would be just fine in my opinion.

 

[Crazyhole]

FWIW, pelinis last recruiting class had as many major contributors as riley's 3 classes combined. I'm not saying Bo was a good recruiter, it's more that riley was terrible.

 

[MOhusker12]

FWIW, pelinis last recruiting class had as many major contributors as riley's 3 classes combined. I'm not saying Bo was a good recruiter, it's more that riley was terrible.

This is the number one problem in my opinion. We have no older depth behind the current Seniors on this team this year, and replaced the seniors we had last year with Fresh. and Soph.. We lost Morgan, Ozigbo, Farmer, Foster on offense and replaced them with 2 Fresh and 2 Soph. That means lack of depth and our inconsistencies are a result of our youth imo.

 

[jlb321]

Dabo won 25 games in his first 3 full seasons. Frost would have to total 21 wins this year + next to equal.

If you are going to use Dabo’s 1st 3-4 seasons as a measuring stick then it’s fair to use his next 4-5 as well

These Dabo comparisons aren’t going to age well. Kirk Ferentz is probably a better benchmark.

 

[K_Y_E]

Luckily Dabo learned how to coach in years 2,4 and 5. Years 1 and 3 he clearly didn’t know what he was doing.

 

[Crazyhole]

This is the number one problem in my opinion. We have no older depth behind the current Seniors on this team this year, and replaced the seniors we had last year with Fresh. and Soph.. We lost Morgan, Ozigbo, Farmer, Foster on offense and replaced them with 2 Fresh and 2 Soph. That means lack of depth and our inconsistencies are a result of our youth imo.

Imagine any team just not recruiting for a year and that's basically what we have. On average, somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 of each class actually become contributors. Rileys 2017 class sits at 1/6th with almost no chance of increasing. Essentially we only have about 80% of a normal team right now and that won't even out for 2 more years.

 

[jlb321]

Imagine any team just not recruiting for a year and that's basically what we have. On average, somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 of each class actually become contributors. Rileys 2017 class sits at 1/6th with almost no chance of increasing. Essentially we only have about 80% of a normal team right now and that won't even out for 2 more years.

The retention rate of each recruiting class through 4+ years is about 55%

 

[Harry Caray]

After his first few mediocre seasons, Dabo fired much of his staff and went out and hired proven coordinators like Venables. Will Frost be willing to do the same? Probably not.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

After his first few mediocre seasons, Dabo fired much of his staff and went out and hired proven coordinators like Venables. Will Frost be willing to do the same? Probably not.

Bingo.

Dabo recognized the programs shortcomings and went out and hired a guy that had been a D Coordinator at a power 5 school for 10+ years.

 

[huskerdude88]

The retention rate of each recruiting class through 4+ years is about 55%

That's horrible. I wonder what the national average is and for teams like Wisconsin and Iowa?

 

[9and4]

Kirk Ferentz is probably a better benchmark.

Captain Kirk:

1. 1-10
2. 3-9
3. 7-5 (bowl victory)
4. 11-2 (bowl loss; tie for Big Ten title)
5. 10-3 (bowl win)
6. 10-2 (bowl win; tie for Big Ten title)
7. 7-5 (bowl loss)

 

[ridge222]

These guys had similar first year to HCSC and are at what I would call similar schools and in recent years.

Barry Odom Missouri:
2016 4-8
2017 7-6
2018 8-5

Butch Jones Tennessee:
2013 5-7
2014 7-6
2015 9-4
2016 9-4
2017 4-8

Jerry Kill Minnesota:
2011 3-9
2012 6-7
2013 8-5
2014 8-5
2015 6-7

Lovie Smith Illinois
2016 3-9
2017 2-10
2018 4-8

Dino Babers Syracuse
2016 4-8
2017 4-8
2018 10-3

Dave Doeren NC State
2013 3-9
2014 8-5
2015 7-6
2016 7-6
2017 9-4
2018 9-4

Matt Campbell Iowa State
2016 3-9
2017 8-5
2018 8-5

Mike Macintyre Colorado:
2013 4-8
2014 2-10
2015 4-9
2016 10-4
2017 5-7
2018 5-7

Mike Leach Wash State
2012 3-9
2013 6-7
2014 3-9
2015 9-4
2016 8-5
2017 9-4
2018 11-2

Frost is in a unique situation where he is coming back to the school he played for, but he does have a lot in common with many on this list. Most have popped a nice season in their 3rd or 4th year, but none on this list were able to get a conference championship.

The one that I didn't put on the list, but kind of scares me a little is Rich Rod at Michigan. He tried to run a type of spread in the Big 10 back in the early 2010 and got chewed up. That was with D Robinson at QB. I just think the Big 10 is a different type of conference where it is really tough to build something like that. I do think the Kirk F example at Iowa does hold some water.

 

[husker2612]

After his first few mediocre seasons, Dabo fired much of his staff and went out and hired proven coordinators like Venables. Will Frost be willing to do the same? Probably not.

I agree I think that is going to probably have to be what happens here as well. I don't think Frost will do it. He will died with his friends aka assistant coaches. My only major concern right now is Chin. Since his time at UCF through Sat his D is giving up an average of 28 ppg. Since at NEB 30ppg. This year 29.8
In comparison to other BIG10 teams this year Wisc 7.2, Penn St 7.7, Iowa 8.5, Ohio St 8.6, Mich St 15, Michigan 19, NW 21, Illinois 25, Indiana 29, Purdue 32, MN 32, Maryland 33, Rutgers 33.2. In the BIG you have to have a D. In year past teams like Ohio St have managed to make poor D work because their talent gap is so wide compared to other BIG teams their O made up for it. I don't think Nebraska will be able to recruit like Ohio St. We have to be able to get a top 25 D. Currently of the top 25 team Okla St has the worst ppg at 27 ranked 57th. Most others are in the top 30.

 

[husker2612]

These guys had similar first year to HCSC and are at what I would call similar schools and in recent years.

Barry Odom Missouri:
2016 4-8
2017 7-6
2018 8-5

Butch Jones Tennessee:
2013 5-7
2014 7-6
2015 9-4
2016 9-4
2017 4-8

Jerry Kill Minnesota:
2011 3-9
2012 6-7
2013 8-5
2014 8-5
2015 6-7

Lovie Smith Illinois
2016 3-9
2017 2-10
2018 4-8

Dino Babers Syracuse
2016 4-8
2017 4-8
2018 10-3

Dave Doeren NC State
2013 3-9
2014 8-5
2015 7-6
2016 7-6
2017 9-4
2018 9-4

Matt Campbell Iowa State
2016 3-9
2017 8-5
2018 8-5

Mike Macintyre Colorado:
2013 4-8
2014 2-10
2015 4-9
2016 10-4
2017 5-7
2018 5-7

Mike Leach Wash State
2012 3-9
2013 6-7
2014 3-9
2015 9-4
2016 8-5
2017 9-4
2018 11-2

Frost is in a unique situation where he is coming back to the school he played for, but he does have a lot in common with many on this list. Most have popped a nice season in their 3rd or 4th year, but none on this list were able to get a conference championship.

The one that I didn't put on the list, but kind of scares me a little is Rich Rod at Michigan. He tried to run a type of spread in the Big 10 back in the early 2010 and got chewed up. That was with D Robinson at QB. I just think the Big 10 is a different type of conference where it is really tough to build something like that. I do think the Kirk F example at Iowa does hold some water.

I could be wrong but I really think if we want to have success at all we have to go back to old school Neb. Do what wisc and Iowa are doing. We can get more talent than they can. So I think if we follow their model aka Neb old model we can have even more success than they do. To run the type of offense Frost wants to run in the BIG you have to be able to recruit top 10 talent. I don't think Neb can do that.

 

[ridge222]

I could be wrong but I really think if we want to have success at all we have to go back to old school Neb. Do what wisc and Iowa are doing. We can get more talent than they can. So I think if we follow their model aka Neb old model we can have even more success than they do. To run the type of offense Frost wants to run in the BIG you have to be able to recruit top 10 talent. I don't think Neb can do that.

I hear ya! I don't know if you have to go full defensive minded with your head coaching philosophy, but you have to put a pretty big emphasis on that along with a power run game and I thing you can make some hay in the west.

 

[bshirt73]

I agree I think that is going to probably have to be what happens here as well. I don't think Frost will do it. He will died with his friends aka assistant coaches. My only major concern right now is Chin. Since his time at UCF through Sat his D is giving up an average of 28 ppg. Since at NEB 30ppg. This year 29.8
In comparison to other BIG10 teams this year Wisc 7.2, Penn St 7.7, Iowa 8.5, Ohio St 8.6, Mich St 15, Michigan 19, NW 21, Illinois 25, Indiana 29, Purdue 32, MN 32, Maryland 33, Rutgers 33.2. In the BIG you have to have a D. In year past teams like Ohio St have managed to make poor D work because their talent gap is so wide compared to other BIG teams their O made up for it. I don't think Nebraska will be able to recruit like Ohio St. We have to be able to get a top 25 D. Currently of the top 25 team Okla St has the worst ppg at 27 ranked 57th. Most others are in the top 30.

Oh c'mon partner.......the blackshirts numbers are heavily also due to.....

1. our horrible kicking game

2. our offense having turnovers all over the place

3. when our offense goes for 3 & out for almost forever

It's rough sledding for our defense so far.

 

[husker2612]

I hear ya! I don't know if you have to go full defensive minded with your head coaching philosophy, but you have to put a pretty big emphasis on that along with a power run game and I thing you can make some hay in the west.

Maybe just maybe we are starting to see that transition, after what we saw Sat. I don't see Frost ever going away from his spread completely, but maybe he will mix in a 50 50 type deal. The BIG10 is a different beast compared to the Pac12 and especially the AAC. I think he may be realizing he needs to adjust a bit.

 

[tpmcg]

Maybe just maybe we are starting to see that transition, after what we saw Sat. I don't see Frost ever going away from his spread completely, but maybe he will mix in a 50 50 type deal. The BIG10 is a different beast compared to the Pac12 and especially the AAC. I think he may be realizing he needs to adjust a bit.

necessity is the mother of invention.

 

[ridge222]

necessity is the mother of invention.

What team is this on the chart?

 

[Sinomatic]

I could be wrong but I really think if we want to have success at all we have to go back to old school Neb. Do what wisc and Iowa are doing. We can get more talent than they can. So I think if we follow their model aka Neb old model we can have even more success than they do. To run the type of offense Frost wants to run in the BIG you have to be able to recruit top 10 talent. I don't think Neb can do that.

We've heard Frost say ~ when you had a company the best in industry for years and years and go away from it and start sucking you should look at what worked and try to emulate that...

Then he was always talking about how he would love to merge Chip Kelly's system with old school Husker Power.

Plus the tongue in cheek answers he gave to the question if he was gonna run more power I...

It's coming down the track and I hope the cars are numerous, loaded, and at a high rate of speed

 

[tpmcg]

What team is this on the chart?

2 different teams...

 

[bshirt73]

We've heard Frost say ~ when you had a company the best in industry for years and years and go away from it and start sucking you should look at what worked and try to emulate that...

Then he was always talking about how he would love to merge Chip Kelly's system with old school Husker Power.

Plus the tongue in cheek answers he gave to the question if he was gonna run more power I...

It's coming down the track and I hope the cars are numerous, loaded, and at a high rate of speed

Amen sir! It can't get here soon enough.

 

[Sinomatic]

Amen sir! It can't get here soon enough.

Haha, you're killing me with all the sirs man.

But hey, you do you, cause no one else will.

 

[bshirt73]

Haha, you're killing me with all the sirs man.

But hey, you do you, cause no one else will.

Well, no one has ever accused me of being smart. But I try my best!

 

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