There is this sentiment that Nebraska's issue is a talent issue. This is just not true. I think frost has even started the talent here is pretty comparable to at Ucf.
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Problem is that Riley didn't continue to develop them. It was water balloon fights and ice cream instead.There is this sentiment that Nebraska's issue is a talent issue. This is just not true. I think frost has even started the talent here is pretty comparable to at Ucf.
Now talent QB now maybe
True, but I was surprised to see the last quarter of the Troy game. After all of the publicity about off season strength work and our renewed commitment to the run, I expected to see physical dominance by the second half — especially the fourth quarter. It didn’t happen, which is scary as we face the Big Ten.The team is 1-8 in its last nine games. Just let that sink in for a moment. I honestly believe they just don't know how to win right now. They are close, and once they taste it, who knows what will happen. They just have to learn how to win again (and I believe Frost will get them there).
Barry got booted in the second quarter on a targeting call. So we played without our best defender for most of the game, and we played without our best playmaker on offense for the entire game. Not an excuse, just an explanation.There's talent. What they don't have is depth. There are still several position groups where if you lose a guy or two, you're up the creek. QB is one, OL is another.
Did Barry get dinged on Saturday? Sounds like his absence was noticed when he left the game...
Yeah, he got dinged alright, ejected for targetingThere's talent. What they don't have is depth. There are still several position groups where if you lose a guy or two, you're up the creek. QB is one, OL is another.
Did Barry get dinged on Saturday? Sounds like his absence was noticed when he left the game...
Problem is that of the 39 guys we signed in 2016 and 2017, 15 are not with the program anymore. So we lack depth and talent at certain spots which makes it hard to win when you compound that with turnovers and penalties.There is this sentiment that Nebraska's issue is a talent issue. This is just not true. I think frost has even started the talent here is pretty comparable to at Ucf.
Now talent QB now maybe
Agree, but the odds of 75% of our team not panning out is slim. I can see a few here and there. This team has talent. Frost just needs to find a way to maximize it.Talent is a tricky thing. Kids get a ranking out of HS based on what analysts believe they could develop into. But when they aren't developed on the field or in the weight room, it all goes out the window. Add in the attrition from two recent coaching changes and our current roster really is a shell of what the recruiting rankings would indicate.
There's always people on both sides of the issue. Most people thought we had the talent to get to 7 or 8 wins. That's nowhere good enough if 7 or 8 wins is the ceiling. At the start of the season I thought our ceiling was closer to 10 wins, and I still think we have that level of talent, but the coaching has been poor in some areas along with not having a suitable backup qb, and we're in the position we're in right now, even with enough talent to compete for the West division title.If we lose there is lack of talent and a culture of losing that might take years to overcome.
If we were 2-0 - the party line would be there is plenty of talent and all it took was a good coach that does more with less. This has been the narrative since December and was pretty consistent right up until we pissed the CU game away
Most people were duped into thinking Riley came to to win, Riley told us what we wanted to hear. Bottom line the only reason Riley came to Nebraska was the big paycheck and that's the only reasonProblem is that Riley didn't continue to develop them. It was water balloon fights and ice cream instead.
If you’re going to blame Riley, you need to blame Pelini too. We are still suffering from Pelini’s poor recruiting.Most people were duped into thinking Riley came to to win, Riley told us what we wanted to hear. Bottom line the only reason Riley came to Nebraska was the big paycheck and that's the only reason
True, but I was surprised to see the last quarter of the Troy game. After all of the publicity about off season strength work and our renewed commitment to the run, I expected to see physical dominance by the second half — especially the fourth quarter. It didn’t happen, which is scary as we face the Big Ten.
And it dates back further than that. The OWH has done great work on this subject, NU hasn't been able to keep the core of its classes on campus for 4-5 years going back several years.Problem is that of the 39 guys we signed in 2016 and 2017, 15 are not with the program anymore. So we lack depth and talent at certain spots which makes it hard to win when you compound that with turnovers and penalties.
Do you think that much of that has a lot to do with having a walk-on QB starting?We ran 10 less plays against Troy than we did against Colorado, against Troy we had the ball for 3 more minutes.
This offense is most effective when it goes at a faster pace and with more balance.
My opinion, in looking at the numbers, is that Frost is going away from what made his offense so great at Oregon and UCF.
I have posted the exact numbers before, so I won't do that again, but over the course of his 5 years as a play caller, he is about 53/47 run/pass in the 1st half of games and 62/38 in the 2nd half. He also runs 7-8 more plays per game in the 1st half than he does in the 2nd. So far this season, Nebraska is 70/30 run/pass in the first half and 60/40 run/pass in the 2nd half. The total plays is only about 3.5 more in the 1st half as compared to the 2nd half.
Just a little insight into the actual numbers.
And it dates back further than that. The OWH has done great work on this subject, NU hasn't been able to keep the core of its classes on campus for 4-5 years going back several years.
It leaves you in a spot where instead of 3* backing up 4* with the occasional walk-on breaking through and winning a job, you have walk-ons backing up 3* and starting all over the field because you haven't even come close to keeping 85 scholarship guys active.
Nebraska is right back there again, TONS of attrition and they are well short of 85 scholarships on the roster even after giving out a couple to walk-on kids. This is going to be a big class and they need it in the worst way. Can't get too many JUCO guys.
Do you think that much of that has a lot to do with having a walk-on QB starting?
Of course the pace was a little slower for Troy than it was for Colorado because of who was at QB. But the run/pass mix was the same for Colorado as it was for Troy. I think Frost is buying too much into the "Your offense won't work in the Big Ten unless you run the ball". Either that or Martinez isn't the thrower he needs to be, in which case, we will be in for a long season regardless of who is at QB.
Troy did nothing but load the box with 8 or 9 and beg Nebraska to throw. If Troy can dictate playcalling, I am pretty sure the defenses in the Big Ten can and will.
As I have said before, when Frost is more balanced, it keeps linebackers and safeties honest. When linebackers and safeties have to cover in space on one play, then come up and fit in the run the next, then, using the same offensive formation, have them back covering in space, The defenders will be more fatigued than they are when they just fit a gap running downhill.
I am surprised at the lack of success with bubble screens and quick throws to our wide outs.
What is the total play count for each sample, ball park? Did you look at standard deviations? Right now, we're comparing 2 games data to 69 games of data. I'm not saying you're not onto something, but the trend needs time to establish itself.We ran 10 less plays against Troy than we did against Colorado, against Troy we had the ball for 3 more minutes.
This offense is most effective when it goes at a faster pace and with more balance.
My opinion, in looking at the numbers, is that Frost is going away from what made his offense so great at Oregon and UCF.
I have posted the exact numbers before, so I won't do that again, but over the course of his 5 years as a play caller, he is about 53/47 run/pass in the 1st half of games and 62/38 in the 2nd half. He also runs 7-8 more plays per game in the 1st half than he does in the 2nd. So far this season, Nebraska is 70/30 run/pass in the first half and 60/40 run/pass in the 2nd half. The total plays is only about 3.5 more in the 1st half as compared to the 2nd half.
Just a little insight into the actual numbers.
There is this sentiment that Nebraska's issue is a talent issue. This is just not true. I think frost has even started the talent here is pretty comparable to at Ucf.
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If you focus on the OL not sure how you can think we are talented in comparison to top squads. Just because local sportswriters say it does not make it so.
There is this sentiment that Nebraska's issue is a talent issue. This is just not true. I think frost has even started the talent here is pretty comparable to at Ucf.
Now talent QB now maybe
Couple things happening there:I haven't really analyzed either game too much so this is more gut reaction, but I can see all the runs against Colorado because it was working well. I get the game plan for Troy simply to protect Bunch or because of lack of trust in him, whichever.
My question is what do you all think about our receiving corps so far? For me, they are the most disappointing group so far out of where I thought our strengths were going to be. Could some of the run/pass ratio be driven by lack of production from some new players we thought would do more? It seems we are having a really difficult time getting open.
We ran 10 less plays against Troy than we did against Colorado, against Troy we had the ball for 3 more minutes.
This offense is most effective when it goes at a faster pace and with more balance.
My opinion, in looking at the numbers, is that Frost is going away from what made his offense so great at Oregon and UCF.
I have posted the exact numbers before, so I won't do that again, but over the course of his 5 years as a play caller, he is about 53/47 run/pass in the 1st half of games and 62/38 in the 2nd half. He also runs 7-8 more plays per game in the 1st half than he does in the 2nd. So far this season, Nebraska is 70/30 run/pass in the first half and 60/40 run/pass in the 2nd half. The total plays is only about 3.5 more in the 1st half as compared to the 2nd half.
Just a little insight into the actual numbers.
I think we need more time to assess before we draw any definitive conclusions. (I assume you'd agree). After all, in the first game we were starting a true freshman and in the second game a walk-on sophomore whose passing skills are diminished a great deal compared to the other QBs Frost has worked with. We'd need to compare these two games to, say, Milton's first two games. But even then the comparisons will not be perfect, as both teams have different skill position players and strengths and weaknesses.
I haven't really analyzed either game too much so this is more gut reaction, but I can see all the runs against Colorado because it was working well. I get the game plan for Troy simply to protect Bunch or because of lack of trust in him, whichever.
My question is what do you all think about our receiving corps so far? For me, they are the most disappointing group so far out of where I thought our strengths were going to be. Could some of the run/pass ratio be driven by lack of production from some new players we thought would do more? It seems we are having a really difficult time getting open.
I didn’t bring my laptop home from the office so I’ll have to wait until tomorrow to set you accurate info.
I just know that each year individually and collectively the numbers were very close to the 53% or 54% run in the 1st half of games.
We can wait all year if you want. However I believe that Frost has altered his play calling the 1st 2 games.
If you’re going to blame anybody why not blame the AD for dangling a boatload full of money in Riley’s face?If you’re going to blame Riley, you need to blame Pelini too. We are still suffering from Pelini’s poor recruiting.
I don’t ever see that happening. He knows that the zone read is unstoppable if run correctly and he’s never going to change. He’s a stubborn and private guy who does things his way, no matter what the local paper/radio hosts sayHe may want to transition to a more power run oriented offense for whatever reason (e.g., cultural fit, conference fit, or climate).
There's talent. What they don't have is depth. There are still several position groups where if you lose a guy or two, you're up the creek. QB is one, OL is another.
Did Barry get dinged on Saturday? Sounds like his absence was noticed when he left the game...