Are we not talking about Chris Christie and his stance on pot?
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Much like gay marriage, people's opinion on pot has changed and its just a matter of time before it's legal in more states than not. That battle was lost years ago. I would never elect somebody who promises to waste resources on something that is such a lost cause. Tell me again why pot is so much worse than cigarettes or alcohol, that you can buy everywhere? Or gambling, that you can do everywhere?
Pot is not my thing, and never will be. But I can tell you that Colorado's legalization of marijuana has not affected my life one iota. Christie seems to think everyone in Colorado is either giddy over legalized pot or terribly upset about it, and the latter group wants him to come to their rescue. The truth is most people here don't really give two ----- one way or the other.
And as Mark Twain said, "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." I can only imagine the pants-pissing tantrum that would be thrown by some posters here if the evil federal government wanted to OVERTURN A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! and take away something that was popular with them.
And as Mark Twain said, "Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits." I can only imagine the pants-pissing tantrum that would be thrown by some posters here if the evil federal government wanted to OVERTURN A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!! and take away something that was popular with them.
My only problem is that people DO smoke and get behind the wheel and innocent people will get hurt. I could care less is they stay home, but it will never happen... Then there are those that smoke cigarettes get sick and want me to pay for their medical bills...If you want to do things that can cause harm that is O.K with me...Just don't like being stuck with the tab... Who pays when someone is high and kills someone... Same with alcohol...How many lives had been decimated due to alcohol?
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I don't smoke and I've never really been a fan of weed, but it's very obviously not going away and it's arguably less harmful than alcohol. May as well make tax money from it. That's a lot of revenue, and you also eliminate a lot of cost associated with trying to bust people for weed.
Let's be honest, who have we really stopped from using it? It's ridiculously easy to get.
I don't smoke and I've never really been a fan of weed, but it's very obviously not going away and it's arguably less harmful than alcohol. May as well make tax money from it. That's a lot of revenue, and you also eliminate a lot of cost associated with trying to bust people for weed.
Let's be honest, who have we really stopped from using it? It's ridiculously easy to get.
Isn't there another board for this type of stuff? Maybe the Husker board should be about Huskers relevant topics not barbershop talk?
And that makes it something that should become a legal part of our society? Pot use is not constructive and has our younger generation swirling the drain, while our country's future does the same. Tell me where it is a positive contributor to our society, please. And again, spare me the medical use. I get that and understand that is not Christie's concern. We're talking about recreational pot use.
I've never once heard a news story where someone was high on Cannabis and killed someone with his or her car. I'm sure its happened before, but I've never heard it. That's what anti-legalization people immediately bring up though...
Alcohol on the other hand.... drunk driving accidents are always on the news and in the paper.
Alcohol on the other hand.... drunk driving accidents are always on the news and in the paper.
Odds are that Chris Christie has smoked weed. Usually when a politician takes a strong stance on an issue it has nothing to do with their personal beliefs. Rather, they are differentiating themselves from their rivals. Christie knows that to win the Republican nomination he must appeal to the reactionary faction of the party, but he must also pick those positions carefully. By taking this stance he can, at a later date, take a more moderate stance on other social issues in a general election scenario. Moderate Republicans should do whatever they can to take back control of their party. In it's current state, the GOP can't field a candidate with mass appeal. I guess I'm cynical.
Politician supports family values = politician is cheating on his wife
Politician backs DOMA = Politician is in the closet
Politician hates ACA = Politician applies for ACA
Politician supports transparency = Politician has a private email account for government correspondence
Politician wants to root out corruption = Politician awards construction projects to cronies
Politician wants to strengthen the border = Politician has an illegal immigrant housekeeper
Just sayin'. It's enough to make you light up, amirite?
Politician supports family values = politician is cheating on his wife
Politician backs DOMA = Politician is in the closet
Politician hates ACA = Politician applies for ACA
Politician supports transparency = Politician has a private email account for government correspondence
Politician wants to root out corruption = Politician awards construction projects to cronies
Politician wants to strengthen the border = Politician has an illegal immigrant housekeeper
Just sayin'. It's enough to make you light up, amirite?
You're right. Marijuana has killed Colorado. Top 5 state in population growth, employment growth, wage and salary growth, and personal income growth. Really circling the drain out here.
Right. Me and the majority of the states who still don't support recreational pot smoking.
For the majority of our country's history it wasn't illegal to put anything into your body as a consenting adult. The constitution said it was illegal for the government to prohibit their use. Somehow, in our hysteria about Mexican workers in the Southwest (who happened to have a fondness for weed) the white politicians blew the dangers to white society all out of proportion. Slowly, we circumvented the constitution and limited the freedom of our citizens. Marijuana users pose no threat to society. Maybe to your bag of cookies, but not to people. We should stop jailing our citizens for this.
You have to start somewhere, and it's already here, loud and clear. A similar statement was likely made about segregation. And now gay marriage. People are waking up and embracing liberty. And I absolutely love it.
The argument over pot is less likely to be a philosophical or moral one, and simply a logistical one at this point.
Taking the case of Colorado and Nebraska. Colorado has approved pot. Nebraska has not. Nebraska counties are bankrupting themselves fighting the increased instances of pot on the Western areas of the state. Nebraska can pursue basically two options.
1. Force/beg/whine to the people/legislature of Colorado to change their law.
2. Raise taxes to pay for increased police forces/operations.
One won't happen. Two will probably happen in the short term, if at all, being a conservative state, I'm not sure what the long term tolerance is to higher tax load.
So then we're left with legalization. This will allow us to pass the problem on to Kansas and South Dakota and other neighboring states. Basically, a domino effect where no one wants to pay for something they can't stop anyway, and legalization becomes the most practical option.
Taking the case of Colorado and Nebraska. Colorado has approved pot. Nebraska has not. Nebraska counties are bankrupting themselves fighting the increased instances of pot on the Western areas of the state. Nebraska can pursue basically two options.
1. Force/beg/whine to the people/legislature of Colorado to change their law.
2. Raise taxes to pay for increased police forces/operations.
One won't happen. Two will probably happen in the short term, if at all, being a conservative state, I'm not sure what the long term tolerance is to higher tax load.
So then we're left with legalization. This will allow us to pass the problem on to Kansas and South Dakota and other neighboring states. Basically, a domino effect where no one wants to pay for something they can't stop anyway, and legalization becomes the most practical option.
Anyone that wants it can get it, easy. Laws will do nothing to change that. What laws will do, is make it safer to get. If people really wish to smoke weed, there isn't much you or I or the law can do about it. I would prefer they have a nice, safe, well lit place, that pays taxes and insurance to go get it, and not a bad part of town or a dark alley. Having said all that, I really don't care that much, it just seems like a huge waste of resources to fight a losing battle. I guarantee you people from Nebraska have already traveled to Colorado to get it, may as well get a cut of the pie for our state.
I got pulled over coming back from a mountain bike trip in Colorado recently, I was doing 79 on the interstate, yes, 4 whopping mph over. I guarantee you they took one look at my lisc place from NE and thought I was bringing back some pot. I would call that harassment, but unlike some punk ass kids in Texas, I said "yes sir" and was respectful, and was let go with very few words ever spoken. I would really rather we just legalize the damn stuff, as I am sure I am not the only one who's been harassed about this.
I got pulled over coming back from a mountain bike trip in Colorado recently, I was doing 79 on the interstate, yes, 4 whopping mph over. I guarantee you they took one look at my lisc place from NE and thought I was bringing back some pot. I would call that harassment, but unlike some punk ass kids in Texas, I said "yes sir" and was respectful, and was let go with very few words ever spoken. I would really rather we just legalize the damn stuff, as I am sure I am not the only one who's been harassed about this.
Eventually gay marriage will be legal in all states. Eventually pot will be legal in all states. Trying to deny, stop or even delay this eventuality is an incredible waste of time and money.
Can you please link where the younger generation, as a whole, is circling the drain?
I would not be so certain about the cause and effect stated here, because pot arrests were way up in these counties before Colorado legalized marijuana. I read one recent article in which a western Nebraska sheriff was complaining about this, yet marijuana arrests in his county had quadrupled the year BEFORE the Colorado law took effect. Arrests went up about another 30-35 percent after legalization in Colorado, but the big spike in arrests had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in Colorado.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not a champion for legalized pot in Colorado - I just don't care one way or the other. Honestly, if I had been out of the country when the whole ballot initiative happened and nobody told me recreational pot was now legal, I would not even know the difference. I don't see it or smell it around me any more than I ever did, and most of the pot shops in downtown Denver were already operating as medical marijuana dispensaries.
Well, there's a limit to how well things can scale up. Just because Nebraska absorbed (probably not smoothly) a surge in arrests the year before, doesn't mean they can take another third increase the year after it happens.
We have to keep in mind, the messaging that being told by these sheriffs as well. They basically are getting in the media and lambasting Colorado for making their job incredibly hard, and the local govts are crying about the money outflow as a result. Whether the legalization issue is the root cause of Nebraska hardships or not, its being packaged up that way (probably because its an easy story to tell) and Nebraska voters will largely make the decision on those dynamics.
One might argue that all the well known potheads, are older people. The youngest of which is Snoop, who is probably closing in on 50 now, and guys like Willie Nelson, Cheech and Chong, and Paul McCartney most recently.
If pot is going to destroy this generation, you wouldn't know it from the earlier generations who were pretty prolific in their use.
Yes, that's what I found so comical about the article. The previous year, this sheriff apparently wasn't bothered enough by the quadrupling of pot arrests to talk to the media about it. But arrests go up again the next year, and it's "LOOK WHAT COLORADO HAS DONE TO MY COUNTY!"
I'm pretty sure 'Merica's younger generation has been circling the drain for nearly 240 years. Someone in the '30s was no doubt wondering how that little hoodlum Ward Cleaver would ever amount to anything.
OK. Then you can go ahead and toke it up with your children. I'm sure most of you will enjoy a drink with them someday, right? What's the difference?
Don't be quick to assume Nebraska will legalize just to reduce it's headaches. This is a state that won't legalize casinos because it will "ruin the good life". We don't want any of that money that Iowa rakes in, even if it is flowing out of Omaha's coffers. Thankfully, criminals (like vampires, apparently) cannot cross running water, and are contained within Iowa's borders.
Right, but pot is directly draining coffers, there's a limit to the amount of waiting to be had. In the case of casinos, we're willing to stand pat over expanding.
My guess is, there are people already doing it, and that probably isn't going to change much regardless. I wouldn't do it, but I wouldn't wear dress's and try to convince the world I'm a girl either.
Why would you compare smoking weed with a child today to enjoying a drink with them "someday"?
I think most people here would not give booze or weed to a child - or at least I would hope not. But framing it the way you did sure was convenient, wasn't it?
I don't happen to use weed or alcohol. But if someone tries hard enough, I'm sure they can find something I enjoy that's driving the country to Hell in a handbasket.
Since this is a free country why don't we legalize prostitution also? It's not for me (I'm an old great grandfather) but I would prefer to see the pros get taxed and inspected. After this, why not legalize gambling? Lots of ways to bring income into the states and lower our taxes, Just my 2 cents today.
g marijuana does not in and of itself victimize anyone, therefore violently interfering with someone doing it is a crime, and any institution (government) which does so is no better than a gang of thugs. If someone gets high and drives recklessly then by all means prosecute them, but drug prohibition is just another example of why formal political authority while probably inevitable, and possibly even necessary is always evil.There are lots of things out there that are wasteful or excessive and still allowed. Shouldn't it be a person's choice of which they choose to partake? As for the "younger generation swirling the drain" hyperbole much? The previous generation said that about your generation, how'd that turn out?
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